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Old 12-03-2018 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
Is the pay scale on APC still accurate? Can one still count on making 62k for. 7/7 schedule? It makes sense that the 76-day schedule would pay more, and 80k vs 60k is a big difference. When working the 76 day what would be the average rotation? I know it can slide and as I understand it’s a PBS style schedule but do you ever get only 1 or 2 days off at a time similar to the airlines? That right now is my biggest issue with 121 schedules. Any time off that is less than 3 days between trips feels like a waste, especially when it’s 4-6 on with only 2 off like a typical reserve schedule
The minimum days off are: 3 after 6 (or less) days on, 4 after 7, and 5 after 8. This obviously does not apply to the 7/7.

As to the pay, you would actually make a bit more than those tables. All new hires start on the CC72 pay for at least a couple months and have the ability to stay on it longer if they want. Then, overtime and holidays seem to add an average of 8-12% to total income. If the new contract goes through, that will likely go up a good bit for a new hire.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 05:19 AM
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NetJets year one base pay of 12/21/18;

CC 52 (13 work days/month) $60,623
CC 60/ 7&7 (15/15.2 work days/month) $63,814
CC 72 (18 work days/month) $77,853
CC 76 (19 work days/month) $82,958

This does not reflect overtime, holiday pay, after midnight return or anything in IBI 2018 if ratified.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
You can look at it that way, but it's disingenuous. A week of 11-hour days is 77 hours, which is what most of the world works in two weeks. You're working twice as hard while at work in order to get that week off.
😂😂😂 This is a horrible response.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou
😂😂😂 This is a horrible response.
Yeah, management hates hearing facts. Best when you have clueless pilots working for you.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
You can look at it that way, but it's disingenuous. A week of 11-hour days is 77 hours, which is what most of the world works in two weeks. You're working twice as hard while at work in order to get that week off.
Thats what I do a month...
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Old 12-03-2018 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou
😂😂😂 This is a horrible response.
It's honest. A pilot on the 7/7 is working about 167 duty hours a month, and that's generously assuming only 11 hour days -- mine were generally 12+ in the Excel.

I'm now a junior pilot at a major, working 14 days a month, comprising about 105 duty hours. It's typically 3-on/4-off, but if I want to reshuffle it and work 6-on/8-off, I can do that.

There are things I miss about NJA, but packing two full work weeks into a 7-day tour is not one of them.

I've done both jobs, and was at NJA for a long time. NJA guys put in a lot of hours at work for their money. I don't know a single pilot there who would disagree.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
It's honest. A pilot on the 7/7 is working about 167 duty hours a month, and that's generously assuming only 11 hour days -- mine were generally 12+ in the Excel.

I'm now a junior pilot at a major, working 14 days a month, comprising about 105 duty hours. It's typically 3-on/4-off, but if I want to reshuffle it and work 6-on/8-off, I can do that.

There are things I miss about NJA, but packing two full work weeks into a 7-day tour is not one of them.

I've done both jobs, and was at NJA for a long time. NJA guys put in a lot of hours at work for their money. I don't know a single pilot there who would disagree.
I think real career prestige comes from being thanked for being a Hilton diamond member. You can’t put a price on that.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
It's honest. A pilot on the 7/7 is working about 167 duty hours a month, and that's generously assuming only 11 hour days -- mine were generally 12+ in the Excel.

I'm now a junior pilot at a major, working 14 days a month, comprising about 105 duty hours. It's typically 3-on/4-off, but if I want to reshuffle it and work 6-on/8-off, I can do that.

There are things I miss about NJA, but packing two full work weeks into a 7-day tour is not one of them.

I've done both jobs, and was at NJA for a long time. NJA guys put in a lot of hours at work for their money. I don't know a single pilot there who would disagree.
How many hours are you flying a month or per year ?
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Old 12-03-2018 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wankel7
How many hours are you flying a month or per year ?
I fly double what I did at NJA. Maybe more actually.
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Old 12-03-2018 | 08:39 PM
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As a friend of mine said in the past, one can never retire at the Hilton.

I echo as well what wankel said.
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