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Originally Posted by Das Auto
I like the EMAW idea of having a separate column.
The PIC signs for the aircraft, has operational control, is the in flight security coordinator, is the person legally in charge of the aircraft, and is the person who has been designated to act as PIC by the air carrier.
If you are listed as the SIC on the trip sheet or dispatch release then you are not the person mentioned above and have no business claiming that you are in your log book.
Now, if the company was to take the time to list the guy as PIC on the non revenue / part 91 legs then that's a different story, but I've yet to see that happen at any company that I've worked for.
So your telling me on empty legs at GAMA or for that matter NJA XOjet FE etc. on empty legs Ops/dispatch changes the Trip sheet to show a FO as PIC ( Giving him full authority) and have him physically move into the left seat for appropriate logging of PIC time???????????
I’ve never seen that in my 16 years of flying. Unless the FO flying with a check airman.
And your answer will be “NO they don’t actually do that”. I have never seen that done before either.... ***Bringing me back to my main point. How does any FO/SIC ever upgraded??? NEWS FLASH the time flown when appropriately ATP type rate in the aircraft as sole manipulator of flight controls is counted as PIC ***.
At some point a FO has to get some PIC experience whether that’s aircraft specific or general PIC time. And as we discussed before a company won’t put a SIC in the left seat with PIC authority. So a FO could never upgrade. And in the 135 world Argus and WYVERN pretty much have the insurability of a carrier in there hands and they do require PIC both in general and aircraft specific.
Regionals and Mainline carriers hire people lacking PIC all the time. They sit right seat til there day comes at the snap of a finger ( Bid award and a 2-3 week training course they are a Captain.). So any real notion of this mythical PIC is a company specific determination. And Yes I sat Right seat FO with a regional airline with maybe 250 SEL PIC, one day I got an email congrats you been awarded Captain. I didn’t have 1000 PIC. Apparently it doesn’t matter.