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Groundpointfife , 04-03-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JackStraw

Same at atlas... might as well change our callsign to yiant.

Aerolineas Atlas?

#52

JackStraw , 04-03-2019 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife

Aerolineas Atlas?

Siiii.. ehhhrrr royer. Yiant 3223 ehhhrrrr royer.

#53

EndOfTimes , 04-03-2019 05:56 PM

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My limited experience with our new hire Hispanic pilots at ABX has been quite different. The ones I have worked with have been pretty damned good. I don’t see any less ability or competency with them than with the young millennial RJ guys we have hired. In fact, one of the older Puerto Rican guys I have flown with could move to the left seat tomorrow and do a fine job, he’s got a solid background.

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atpcliff , 04-04-2019 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYMIA

Is this honestly what the pay is?! Embellishing or being serious? If it is that's astounding. How do you guys operate at that pay? I'm on a CRJ and make just a tad over $100K and work about half the month. I'm not trying sound facetious at all honestly. If thats really the pay I'm dumbfounded how those aircraft move at all. I'm pretty shocked really. I take it no one, NO ONE, is showing up to class for this. If I were offered a job and they told me that was the pay I think I'd have a good laugh and then say, no really whats the pay? Edited because I also want to add, you gentlemen/Ladies deserve much better. Best of luck.

I believe the original agreement between Southern and DHL was for 28 737s. Southern could only get 5 in the air, because of their low pilot pay for the 737s. Southern's new contract pay is roughly the same, and they are having great difficulty in getting pilots to fly this platform, with the current contract. Atlas is not even filling 747 classes, not to mention 777/767/737...

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atpcliff , 04-04-2019 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aviatorhi

I think you've entirely missed the point that some of us enjoy the tradeoffs of ACMI flying to the point that we don't want to be burdened with the NB hub-hub turns or sitting thru a sort and are willing to horsetrade to keep the lives we have.

I can't think of many people where I am now who would willingly make the trade for "big 3" pay if it meant losing the type of schedules we get. Insinuating that we're all underpaid unless we're following "big 3" or FedEx type rules is ludicrous.

At Atlas, we ARE underpaid vs the Big 3, regardless of any work rules or schedules...

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atpcliff , 04-04-2019 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Yet they still are training new hires.....same at ABX. For some the grass is always greener.

Atlas is not filling classes on the 747, 767 or 737. I'm not sure about the 777...there are VERY few of those airframes operating, so they don't need many crew.

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gumpscheck , 04-04-2019 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff

Atlas is not filling classes on the 747, 767 or 737. I'm not sure about the 777...there are VERY few of those airframes operating, so they don't need many crew.

This information needs to get out to the investment community. That would put monetary pressure on the Atlas / ATSG management. Parked airframes don’t make money and negatively affect the bottom line with leasing/maintenance costs.

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dogo , 04-04-2019 06:22 AM

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ABX has 7 idle 767-2. Plenty of spares due to no business. Management touts an amazing on time performance with DHL/Amazon. #ABXweakmanagement.

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wjcandee , 04-04-2019 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dogo

ABX has 7 idle 767-2. Plenty of spares due to no business. Management touts an amazing on time performance with DHL/Amazon. #ABXweakmanagement.

You probably know better but 7 seems high. There are currently 13 with one of those maybe leaving. Six others were re-leased and exported, and one was WFU and is now a parts donor. Of the 13, six are dry-leased to Amazon plus one operational spare, one military, two currently DHL (probably going to 1), and 2 used on other stuff. So that seems like 12 of the 13. Still, of course, plenty of growth opportunity if the Superfund site of workplace toxicity is ever abated...

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abxflyr , 04-04-2019 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EndOfTimes

You and I have very different experiences then. Not saying all are bad or anything generic like that. I haven't seen a single new-hire yet that is "left seat tomorrow" ready; even those who are supposed to have time in type or previous command experience. My comments are not essentially Hispanic oriented verses new-hires in general. Of course I haven't flown with everyone either (although most...).

I have tendency to agree with Dogo and Jackstraw more so on this one...