Dude, stop negotiating in public and take your ideas to your status rep.

The first couple chapters of "Flying the Line, Volume I" explain why ALPA is structured the way it is, i.e. not like a traditional labor union like UAW, etc. For those who can't be bothered to read it, ALPA has a podcast series that summarizes each chapter in about 14 minute chunks.

Our reps won't do anything about it, hell they are to scared to rock the companies boat.

Plus we are negotiating anything, the pay rates just need to be given to us FOR NOTHING. No negotiating required. I only hope our union hold out for more then PSA, make them pay up now for their inaction.

This. It's a pretty simple process. Either the company will agree to increase pay rates and get no concessions from us, or the discussion ends. This isn't a negotiation.

Some of you guys are posting really dumb things. You are giving the company insight into what we want and what our demands are. I'm not going to quote any of it or address any of it specifically in the hopes that you wise up and take it down.

Think about it from a management standpoint. They know exactly what we're thinking and what we want. Please, don't handcuff the leaders that are going into this.

"Oh **** these guys want pay raises and don't want to give up any concessions. We never expected this" - Management probably

Do you honestly think they didn't know BEFORE someone started keyboard warrioring on APC?

Also, what percentage of the pilot group is vocal on here? Maybe 2%? That's a really great sample size.

Union leadership has said before that they have lost leverage because of what people have said online. Why risk it? What is the benefit of complaining on these forums?

And we should believe management about this because they are always truthful and honest?!

I’ve posted a lot of RW comments but I also take it with a grain of salt. Management may tell the truth or part of the truth or none of the truth depending on what best suits them.

I also said we should take nothing less than mainline rates and rules. Just because I said that, does that mean it’s negotiating!? I know that is ridiculous, which is why I said it.

I do agree that EVERYONE should contact the MEC, as I have, and tell them what we want. Not going to stop me from saying anything here.

Yeah I think the whole "dont discuss this here because management might see it" is a little silly in this case. Managment knows exactly what they need to do in this one because PSA has already done it, the question is the amount.

It's give the raise for no concessions or no, pretty simple. Besides, if you really think about it, it's like the same 20 people posting on this forum. We are a little club that likes to bicker with each other over semantics all day while occasionally helping the new hire who stops by for a post or two, never to be heard from again. It's not like we are holding a union meeting regarding our a new contract in the middle of DFW or anything.