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UnbeatenPath , 08-10-2019 06:46 PM
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The 50 seat scope at United has a max weight of 65,000lbs, so they have to restrict 10,000lbs off of the CRJ700 and certify it as a CRJ550. The E-170 weighs 85,000lbs (someone who flies it can give a more precise number here), so in order to make it a 50 seat aircraft, you’d be bringing down the max certified weight down by 20,000lbs. The E175 is already restricted by 3000lbs to meet scope, if you wanted to make the E175 a 50 seat aircraft, you’d have to bring the weight down by an additional 21,000lbs.
170 is certified to 82364
175 is certified to 85870

Might make sense for a 170 50 seater. I've heard talk about converting 175s to whatever the CRJ700 scope is on American (68?), so the 550 might not be the only one downsizing the pax numbers
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170 is certified to 82364
175 is certified to 85870

Might make sense for a 170 50 seater. I've heard talk about converting 175s to whatever the CRJ700 scope is on American (68?), so the 550 might not be the only one downsizing the pax numbers
Thanks for those numbers. I know that the compass E175s are certified closer to 89,000 and were grandfathered in under the NWA scope.

American scope defines small RJs (50-65) and large (66-76). The CRJ700s in the American Eagle fleet are mostly 63/65 seats, and SkyWest is converting the 70 seat ones to 65 seats, making way for more E175s/CRJ900s at the WOs. I couldn’t find a weight limit for the 65 seat aircraft besides a generic number of 86,000 for all American Eagle RJs.
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Not sure there’s anything special about a 550. The question is whether routes exist with enough premium demand to support a 76 seater configured at 50 seats. You could do that with a 175 just as easily.
Bedford at Republic said a 50 seat 170/175 won’t really work like a CRJ700 for the reasons Zondaracer posted. However, they are exploring converting the 170s (which currently fly for UA and DL) to 65 seats for AA. That’s seems to be workable so I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
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Bedford at Republic said a 50 seat 170/175 won’t really work like a CRJ700 for the reasons Zondaracer posted. However, they are exploring converting the 170s (which currently fly for UA and DL) to 65 seats for AA. That’s seems to be workable so I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
I think this is a very plausible scenario
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The 50 seat scope at United has a max weight of 65,000lbs, so they have to restrict 10,000lbs off of the CRJ700 and certify it as a CRJ550. The E-170 weighs 85,000lbs (someone who flies it can give a more precise number here), so in order to make it a 50 seat aircraft, you’d be bringing down the max certified weight down by 20,000lbs. The E175 is already restricted by 3000lbs to meet scope, if you wanted to make the E175 a 50 seat aircraft, you’d have to bring the weight down by an additional 21,000lbs.
Significant difference but is it unbridgeable? 50 seat 500nm?
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