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I believe that is the problem. What’s the point of adding pilots in ORD if we can’t add flights? The other day CD informed us we were on a ground stop to ORD. I asked what’s the problem. CD said it’s a United only ground stop, not enough gates.

We continue to pay for the terrible short sightedness of Smisek.

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Chicago and Illinois are festering sewers; no argument, I live here. The fact is that about 22,000 people in Illinois' 22nd Congressional District, 0.2% of the state's population, elect the Honorable Michael J. Madigan to the Illinois General Assembly as they have in every election since 1970. From his office as Speaker, he rules the state.

Great documentary on that SOB.

https://youtu.be/ZgVP3H122nw

Everyone knows that Chicago politics is famous for its corruption. It’s the “Chicago way”. The problem with ORD is that you have two huge airlines who make it a major hub. There’s only so much pavement. Being that we are extremely limited on gate space, wouldn’t it alleviate some of the crowding if we ran fewer flights with bigger aircraft to move the people? This is an example of where 100 seat jets could potentially be a good thing. If not 100 seats planes, more of our current NB fleet types replacing regional flying. Kirby is hoping that we relax scope, but that isn’t going to happen. We’ll just sit in the penalty box and collect overs waiting on a gate. Relaxing scope in the past created this problem. As far as I’m concerned it ends now and we claw back what we gave away over the last 20+ years.

Yup.

And just to add to the mess, currently many of the ORD gates can only park RJs because more gates were crammed into the existing concourses during the RJ boom.

Although the expansion will only initially add 25% more gates total, the % of gates usable by mainline will increase dramatically. It seems clear that UAL’s long term plan includes an increase in the gauge of aircraft in ORD and the key to doing it is the expansion.

Reason 10,768 not to give on scope.

To be fair, Chicago doesn’t hold the exclusive rights to political or business corruption. Pretty much any city or town or podunk hamlet has its own version of the same.

And regarding the actual operation of ORD, I agree with the rest. We are gate constrained. Hardly any delays anymore due to traffic (wx of course is another issue) with the new runways in use. But fewer flights (by upgauging) also has potential negative follow on effects. Would the schedule be competitive with American or someone else? Do those “slots” get used by competitor(s)?

Above my pay grade and knowledge to figure out if 7x a day on a 175 is better or worse then 4x a day on a 319 from a revenue/profit. Better for us as pilots? Yes. But for the corporation? That’s what network planning/revenue management has to figure out.

The question is, will EWR SFO 777FO go to new hires?

Isn’t it pretty much a new hire on the first snapshot for 777 sfo? Definitely on probation just like the last VB but much higher number.