Filler........

What about those who got hired off the street, should we we also afford them opportunity to returned too. You say no to that, I say no to flow back.

I don’t think it’s reasonable for you to put want to put other pilots on the street for your benefit of having a fall back plan of flowing back.

its a tough time right now and everyone is worried about their jobs right now.

You could throw in a no displacement/downgrade clause for good measure. Would you still be against that? And you’re still getting double flow. The next enhancement after double flow is a mainline seniority number, but flow backs would need better seniority than bottom of the captain list for that to happen.

Negotiating on APC is bad form, dude.

And people call the younger generations entitled. Unbelievable.

Personally I’m for it if the flow-backs come in as “DECs” on the bottom of the list. And in exchange we lock in our current pay structure, SAP, guarantees not to furlough, and get increased flows at 1% /month once hiring resumes.

If we can lock those provisions in I see it as a win for everyone. Don’t forget, these APA pilots are your union brethren albeit not from ALPA. And don’t forget that if you were in their shoes you would also be looking for a soft place to land for a few years. We need to be looking at ways to help each other.

Also worth reminding everyone, locking in the above contractual provisions would be huge in the current environment. We have no leverage. If this turns into an extended downturn then fully expect intense downward pressure on wages and contracts. Keep that in mind.

Don’t negotiate in public.


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As someone who is very familiar with the process I can assure you... No one from management is pulling up APC going, “see... SEE! This is what they want! This is what I’ve been saying!”

It’s more like the 2 dudes from Jurassic Park. “See... Nobody cares”

The management folks are going “OHMOGODOHMIGODOHMIGODWERESOOOOOOOOOSCREWED!!!” Right now and totally not thinking about this.

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That’s great and all Chris with wanting to help each other out. I’ve agreed with ya on many posts but this where you and I disagree. What about the junior guys here? You want to push those guys out who chances are do not have a soft landing spot to provide soft landing for guys who made it to the big league. Because that’s what will happen with flow backs. You are just rolling the ball down the hill. That doesn’t seem right.

That’s not helping anyone out except for a select few.