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#111
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 123
They're team members who work together to keep the current mode of scheduling in place.
#112
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 123
I’m still torn on my view of all this. This is a different type of “recession” than 08’. Where as then no one had money, while currently people have money they just can’t spend it. You’ve got the essential employees and those who can work from home. They have income and when things are back rolling they’re going to want to gtfo and do something. Other hand there are the most people who have ever applied for unemployment. The stimulus is adding $600 a week to the state benefit, plus an additional 13 weeks beyond the state cap. Some people are going to be making more on unemployment than they did at their job. That’ll bridge the gap for almost 10 months, hoping for a rebound Q3/Q4. For a majority of industry once this is on the right path it’s just turn the lights on and back to business as usual, bringing me to why I think the airlines are going to try and avoid furlough as long as possible.
Then there is the real possibility we’re screwed until 2021 at the earliest.
At this point it’s out of our hands. Show up, do our job (leave the worry at home because the last thing the industry needs is an accident), and support each other.
At the end of the day it’s still just a virus. We’ve had them before and we’ll see them again. It’s just how long will a treatment and eventually a vaccine take. It’s not like we have to build a proton pack the take down the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
Then there is the real possibility we’re screwed until 2021 at the earliest.
At this point it’s out of our hands. Show up, do our job (leave the worry at home because the last thing the industry needs is an accident), and support each other.
At the end of the day it’s still just a virus. We’ve had them before and we’ll see them again. It’s just how long will a treatment and eventually a vaccine take. It’s not like we have to build a proton pack the take down the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
But something tells me simply removing the stay at home orders will not get the job done...
#113
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
During your first 85% revenue cut rodeo you leaned how much capital spending it takes to move planes away from PSA and redeploy at another carrier, or you leaned how much the interest is on thier brand new 900s, vs letting another carrier take their 900's and do whatever they desire with them.
You've seen numbers that show you AA will have to fork out interest payments when Mesa's 900's sit idle when their contract expires?
Contract cost are 1 dimensional, and contract carrier cost go up when they reduce their fleet size. Even if Mesa has cheaper labor cost, to be lower out the door you'd have to throw in moving the planes over there, or idleing brand new ones with interest payments vs. letting Mesa shop a home for their planes no one needs.
You're on other forums suggesting a race to the bottomand to BK, like it's as easy as pushing a reset button with. The executives can easily loose control of the company, and any value of thier stock, if they reissue it.
Also you can't wash a labor contract by simply filling BK, it has to be part of a package a judge signs off on for the company to EXIT BK and still be solvent.
How can they Exit BK right now, with absolutely no info on revenue or passenger demand.
Right now if pilots flew for free the company would have to liquidate before it could reorganize down to 30% of itself without government bailouts. You are absolutely fear mongering, right now there is no cost point to achieve to be successful.
Last edited by Happyflyer; 04-02-2020 at 04:58 AM.
#114
You know more about what carrier the capacity cuts will come from, or how big they will be system wide?
During your first 85% revenue cut rodeo you leaned how much capital spending it takes to move planes away from PSA and redeploy at another carrier, or you leaned how much the interest is on thier brand new 900s, vs letting another carrier take their 900's and do whatever they desire with them.
You've seen numbers that show you AA will have to fork out interest payments when Mesa's 900's sit idle when their contract expires?
Contract cost are 1 dimensional, and contract carrier cost go up when they reduce their fleet size. Even if Mesa has cheaper labor cost, to be lower out the door you'd have to throw in moving the planes over there, or idleing brand new ones with interest payments vs. letting Mesa shop a home for their planes no one needs.
You're on other forums suggesting a race to the bottomand to BK, like it's as easy as pushing a reset button with. The executives can easily loose control of the company, and any value of thier stock, if they reissue it.
Also you can't wash a labor contract by simply filling BK, it has to be part of a package a judge signs off on for the company to EXIT BK and still be solvent.
How can they Exit BK right now, with absolutely no info on revenue or passenger demand.
Right now if pilots flew for free the company would have to liquidate before it could reorganize down to 30% of itself without government bailouts. You are absolutely fear mongering, right now there is no cost point to achieve to be successful.
During your first 85% revenue cut rodeo you leaned how much capital spending it takes to move planes away from PSA and redeploy at another carrier, or you leaned how much the interest is on thier brand new 900s, vs letting another carrier take their 900's and do whatever they desire with them.
You've seen numbers that show you AA will have to fork out interest payments when Mesa's 900's sit idle when their contract expires?
Contract cost are 1 dimensional, and contract carrier cost go up when they reduce their fleet size. Even if Mesa has cheaper labor cost, to be lower out the door you'd have to throw in moving the planes over there, or idleing brand new ones with interest payments vs. letting Mesa shop a home for their planes no one needs.
You're on other forums suggesting a race to the bottomand to BK, like it's as easy as pushing a reset button with. The executives can easily loose control of the company, and any value of thier stock, if they reissue it.
Also you can't wash a labor contract by simply filling BK, it has to be part of a package a judge signs off on for the company to EXIT BK and still be solvent.
How can they Exit BK right now, with absolutely no info on revenue or passenger demand.
Right now if pilots flew for free the company would have to liquidate before it could reorganize down to 30% of itself without government bailouts. You are absolutely fear mongering, right now there is no cost point to achieve to be successful.
#115
Aeronautical Colleague
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 24
I know a great deal of things I don’t divulge on here in what is essentially a public forum. I didn’t say American will declare BK tomorrow. But the reality of taking the amount of loans that saving the AA operation will require will be nearly unrecoverable for the airline. Ed Bastian said some himself in his town hall yesterday. Regarding capacity cuts etc, I expect several thousand on the streets this fall from all the airlines including regionals. This will not be a, “V” shaped recovery. The demand isn’t simply going to bounce back.
#116
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
#117
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
#119
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You have a short memory or just weren't here, and haven't bothered to learn history. That said, if the MEC's do not work together, and the pilots as well; what happened then will happen again as they pit one group against another.
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