Flow backs
03-29-2020, 07:20 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Varsity
PSA doesn't even communicate with the other two Eagle WO's. I think your chances at a flowback deal are around 0%.
That is simply not true, at all.
Quit spreading false rumors.
03-29-2020, 07:31 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by JayBee
I'm assuming you are referring to a recent post in the Envoy forum.
That is simply not true, at all.
Quit spreading false rumors.
That is simply not true, at all.
Quit spreading false rumors.
03-29-2020, 08:02 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Systemized
What would it take for the union and PSA pilots to accept a limited number of potential furloughed AA former PSA flowbacks? All flow backs would be DECs of course and get their base of choice on the bottom of the captain list. Only former PSA flows could come back and the total number would have to get capped around 100-120. The PSA guys hired off the street at AA would not be eligible for flow back. Maybe you guys would accept in exchange for double flow when AA starts to hire again. All hypothetical considering AA probably won’t furlough. Understand it would be a 3-way Deal between PSA, PSA-ALPA and AA. Double flow sounds nice right?
03-29-2020, 08:04 AM
#44
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Most pilot groups have a history of selling out the juniors to the benefit of the senior minority, will history repeat itself? At eagle many years ago, pilots got AA seniority numbers when they became captains on the RJs. They also flowed over to American on third year pay. The only leverage regionals had (pilot shortage) is gone for now at least. Almost all mainline carriers had B scales in the 80s/90s. The regionals have become the modern day B scale, except it's more of a C scale.
I'm all for taking back scope, stapling PSA/Piedmont/Envoy to the bottom of the AA list and putting all AA RJs under one operating cert. Yes, some junior RJ pilots would probably get furloughed, but at least they get an AA seniority number. Regional pilots need the support of mainline pilots, not the other way around. The problem, regional pilots have a history of screwing themselves by not working with their mainline counterparts. Remember when Comair pilots wanted relative seniority integration with Delta pilots? How did that work out for them? There's plenty of Comair at PSA to ask around.
I'm all for taking back scope, stapling PSA/Piedmont/Envoy to the bottom of the AA list and putting all AA RJs under one operating cert. Yes, some junior RJ pilots would probably get furloughed, but at least they get an AA seniority number. Regional pilots need the support of mainline pilots, not the other way around. The problem, regional pilots have a history of screwing themselves by not working with their mainline counterparts. Remember when Comair pilots wanted relative seniority integration with Delta pilots? How did that work out for them? There's plenty of Comair at PSA to ask around.
03-29-2020, 08:09 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
So you are calling our MEC leadership liars? Or has something changed since Wednesday?
03-29-2020, 08:13 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Systemized
A. regional pilots don't have a lot of places to go right now if hiring stops everywhere and regionals don't need to hire for attrition.
B. The American regional footprint is getting smaller due to scope. Downsizing will happen at certain eagle carrier regionals. Scope allows for an RJ fleet 75 percent the number of mainline narrow bodies. American just retired the 75s and 190s. That's 40 RJs that need to go away, 19 of which with 76 seats. More mainline downsizing next year, means more RJs going away.
C. AA pilots ain't giving up scope, if anything they're taking some back.
B. The American regional footprint is getting smaller due to scope. Downsizing will happen at certain eagle carrier regionals. Scope allows for an RJ fleet 75 percent the number of mainline narrow bodies. American just retired the 75s and 190s. That's 40 RJs that need to go away, 19 of which with 76 seats. More mainline downsizing next year, means more RJs going away.
C. AA pilots ain't giving up scope, if anything they're taking some back.
In regards to scope I agree there will be downsizing in the AA large RJ fleet. I also think most, if not all of those reductions will happen at the AA owned carriers.
Though times for everyone ahead regardless of carrier.
03-29-2020, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Your MEC says one thing, ours says another. For us regular line pilots it doesn’t matter much one way or the other.
03-29-2020, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Most pilot groups have a history of selling out the juniors to the benefit of the senior minority, will history repeat itself? At eagle many years ago, pilots got AA seniority numbers when they became captains on the RJs. They also flowed over to American on third year pay. The only leverage regionals had (pilot shortage) is gone for now at least. Almost all mainline carriers had B scales in the 80s/90s. The regionals have become the modern day B scale, except it's more of a C scale.
I'm all for taking back scope, stapling PSA/Piedmont/Envoy to the bottom of the AA list and putting all AA RJs under one operating cert. Yes, some junior RJ pilots would probably get furloughed, but at least they get an AA seniority number. Regional pilots need the support of mainline pilots, not the other way around. The problem, regional pilots have a history of screwing themselves by not working with their mainline counterparts. Remember when Comair pilots wanted relative seniority integration with Delta pilots? How did that work out for them? There's plenty of Comair at PSA to ask around.
I'm all for taking back scope, stapling PSA/Piedmont/Envoy to the bottom of the AA list and putting all AA RJs under one operating cert. Yes, some junior RJ pilots would probably get furloughed, but at least they get an AA seniority number. Regional pilots need the support of mainline pilots, not the other way around. The problem, regional pilots have a history of screwing themselves by not working with their mainline counterparts. Remember when Comair pilots wanted relative seniority integration with Delta pilots? How did that work out for them? There's plenty of Comair at PSA to ask around.
03-29-2020, 08:48 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
I agree there will be downsizing in the AA large RJ fleet. I also think most, if not all of those reductions will happen at the AA owned carriers.
Though times for everyone ahead regardless of carrier.
The best situation for AA wholly owned pilots is AAG merging them into one regional airline that exclusively does all the AA regional flying. Skywest, Republic and Mesa flying all get transferred in house. All new AA pilots come from that one regional. Back in the day, Eagle was going to join APA and this was going to happen but the AA pilots squashed it because they wanted to get their Air Force buddies hired at AA off the street instead of 100% eagle pilots making up all the AA new hires.
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