please explain how it’s easier to reclaim outsourced aircraft due to them being outsourced to Horizon?

Major airlines such as Delta have scope clauses that prevent SKYW from flying aircraft with more than 76 seats. Even if SKYW operates aircraft with more than 76 seats for other regional airlines such as Alaska Airlines.

There is nothing contractual to prevent Horizon from operating a 100 seat aircraft for Alaska Airlines

I think that’s what Rick meant


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This is a true point. Delta’s contract with Skywest stipulates that they cannot fly >76 seats for a competIng carrier. I believe Rick is saying aircraft of that nature will be easier for mainline Alaska pilots to negotiate ownership of from Horizon as opposed to a non-wholly owned regional contractor such as Skywest.

Yes, if OO buys the planes (they usually do, but not always), then they would require a lengthy contract to minimize tail risk (post-contract mortgage obligations). In order to get out of such a contract early would require huge penalties.

With QX, airgroup ultimately owns it all, so they could transfer the planes (and flow the pilots) with minimal fuss.

Unlikely OO would fly them anyway, due to scope with other partners (unless the BK judges take care of that for them).

On what planet would that happen? I guess we are living in opposite world

If things don’t get a lot better the chances of a bankruptcy at a major are still very high


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No, I meant planes flowing up to Mainline. That would be "doing the right thing"

I’m a skeptic myself. I learned what “doing the right thing” means to management during my probation year.

They expect it from us but don’t do it themselves...


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There will be no no planes or pilots “Flowing Up” to mainline. Horizon flying jets is a C scale operation to us. We already operate for the same rates 100 to 200 seat airplanes. Allowing a 190 or a 220 to be added to our certificate for anything less than a 321NEO or a MAX 10 rates would be a major failure on our part. But Brad and Ben appreciate your desire to do just that

Why not also look at the MAX7 and MAX8?