ArcticDog

Technically it's not profit sharing, it's performance based pay. A large part of the target calculation is based on profit which surely we will not hit, but we will probably meet some of the other targets triggering a small payout.

As far as all the "Debbie Downers" on here, unless there is a drastic downturn going into the spring/summer '21, I doubt we will see furloughs. The company got burned last time they furloughed. They lost money because they had to bring the furloughs back faster than they had estimated, costing them more for training, displacements, etc. Today it would be even worse as we have the cascading training costs of 2 fleet types (for the near future) and we will have to have the ability to come back quickly and grow coming out of this to defend market share against SWA and others to stay relevant. Based on this I think EIL's were an easy sell to the company. Compared to most in the industry, except SWA, we have a good balance sheet. We will get through this.

NewGuy01

Like I said the only reason I chimed in to this asinine discussion was when someone mentioned buying up more MAX sims and sim buildings. We don’t need MAX sims we just need 170/190 sims for the Horizon guys.

Our flying has been constantly given away to Horizon or worse SkyWest. We have zero scope and I’m certain we will see aircraft with greater than 76 seats sooner than later.

Ask yourself this: “what are they going to replace the 700s with?”

I don’t have that much seniority and don’t believe this corporation will hesitate for a single second to furlough someone they don’t call on reserve.


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flysnoopy76

Totally agree the future here is probably 190s or the equivalent at Horizon, there’s just too much of a gap in seats between the e175 and 737-800/900. The company will exploit the lack of scope and put as many as they want at Horizon. Horizon is running new hire classes in the current environment, if that doesn’t say something I’m not sure what will. Some people probably actually believe that Horizon getting RNP certification for southeast is just for diversions, give me a break.
I also agree with you that the company is not going to tolerate paying pilots to be sitting on reserve not flying or out on leaves for very long.

NewGuy01

Thursday, Alaska spokesperson Bobbie Egan updated that projection, saying that by next summer the airline’s active workforce, which today stands at about 22,000, will “likely be between 19,000 and 20,000.”

“It would be our hope that our extended leave programs would reduce or eliminate the need for furloughs,” Egan added. “If they are not able to, then furloughs would be on the table.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...'s%20fleet.

Read it twice. Then call me Eeyore again...

37 MAX 9s on order 30 options for MAX 9s. Nothing to replace the 700s...

Cruz5350

The two of you said 6 months ago we would already have furloughed people but instead the company was one of the first to offer IL’s meanwhile our coworkers at other airlines have been furloughed or agreed to TA’s that cut their credit by half to mitigate a furlough. Maybe we do furlough but in the meantime you’re still here, still working, still getting paid your full credit and yet you whine. We get it you wanted to stay home and get paid 50 hours who wouldn’t it’s an amazing deal that’s probably once in our careers but to say the system is unfair because you supposedly had a good job lined up and we’re going to get to do some double dipping and then it didn’t happen is pretty disingenuous of what’s really going on. Everybody here wants scope unfortunately that’s not going to happen for awhile but spouting off nonsense about how they’re getting rid of 700’s and not replacing them and oooo 195’s are coming to Horizon... wait til it happens until then it’s just useless crying.

NewGuy01

You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth. Changing careers takes time. The difference between an EIL and LOA is massive. I never said a peep about fair. I just said that it’s a shame furloughs are being talked about again for next year. I lost a job opportunity due to the company not awarding EILs to the pilots that applied despite there being a 45 day return clause. Hindsight being 2020 should I have taken the LOA, absolutely. Repeated company messaging about far more awards than posted will be offered got me. My bad.

It’s also odd that because of the way they were bid and the system bid that followed immediately after there are pilots jr to me that are on an EIL, in my base. I thought seniority was everything but I have a mixed 91/121/135 background and it seems like there is an exception to every rule. But you’re the one touting seniority and how I’m jr...

The company lost 431 million last quarter, despite nearly 400 million in payroll protection money. Cash burn zero isn’t happening without some massive changes.


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juventus

I totally understand Newguy for being worried about being at the bottom ,and no longer have the opportunity, to look for job when not a lot pilots were looking. I didn’t mean to pick on you when I asked if you bid for LOA . Hope nobody gets furlough , all the best .

Cruz5350

Changing careers takes time you say? Well you’ve already said you were a trained EMT prior to this so you’ve done it already once so what’s so difficult about doing it again? Surely you’ve learned how to do it. Secondly you said that you expected QOL to be degraded big time due to Covid which isn’t wrong and then you posted that you were going to bid for all lengths of EIL’s. Going back through all your post history it paints all the picture I need to see. You’re not happy here, you’re not happy with how the EIL’s were awarded but the fact is they were awarded in seniority order per base. What can you be mad about? Honestly? You’re just mad you didn’t get your way fine but don’t sit here and complain that the company did something wrong. I get it you wanted an EIL to go get some “good job” and double dip and you couldn’t, well if it’s so bad here just quit and go be an EMT again there’s plenty of jobs in that field and that’s coming from someone who’s on an EIL and got a couple different jobs and quit them immediately. There’s almost nothing as good as being a pilot even on Alaska’s worst day sitting short call PM reserve getting called out for red eyes. If that sounds so awful to you maybe find another career.

9mikemike

Cruz, Spouting Horizon Air now at Alaska Airlines glee club bs is overrated. You sound like a legacy brat. There are many places and many things better than drilling holes in the sky for Alaska Airlines, especially at 2am.
Simple truth is and has always been that Alaska Airlines is a good job when things are bad and a lousy job when things are great.....And happy happy is not a requirement...Come to work, grind it out and go home. Furloughs are as likely as not.

Cruz5350

I left QX for SKW then got called to AS. Wasn’t my first choice but damn glad that it worked out the way it did. Def not a legacy brat either just stating the obvious here, it’s a damn good job and we’re all lucky to have what we have.