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Old 10-22-2020 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
God I’m such an ingrate what was I thinking. I just should have volunteered to leave without pay


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Old 10-22-2020 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by miker1
Why not for a good job opportunity?
Yes a good job opportunity, even at a pay cut, would be better than risking furlough in my book. Depends on your juniority and what you think your furlough odds are.
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Old 10-22-2020 | 07:12 AM
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My guess is Alaska furloughs when the first round of 6 month EILs end (March), and will continue to furlough as necessary as each EIL round expires.
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Old 10-22-2020 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
My guess is Alaska furloughs when the first round of 6 month EILs end (March), and will continue to furlough as necessary as each EIL round expires.
Even if they expect significant demand recovery late 2021 / 2022? Vaccine's a bit of a wildcard on that.

I agree that is the vaccine programs fail to deliver herd immunity or at least a big consumer confidence boost then furloughs are likely at most majors. Does AS have flow-back to QX?
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Old 10-22-2020 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
My guess is Alaska furloughs when the first round of 6 month EILs end (March), and will continue to furlough as necessary as each EIL round expires.
If true; your timing is off. With an effective date if 4/1 and training beginning much earlier they would have to furlough May 1 at the earliest. Things have to be pretty bad going into summer for them to make that move. Unless of course they cancel this bid. With that being said the EILs have to come back with a position bid and have 45 day notice. It all depends on those variables.
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Old 10-22-2020 | 10:13 AM
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Why not for a good job opportunity? I never called you a name

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I made the mistake of thinking the EILs would be awarded to everyone that applied, considering the state of the industry. Also JR pilots to me were awarded the EIL and are now in my base.

But I guess I should have predicted that and applied to an LOA instead? With the same deadline for both which one would you have picked.

2020 hindsight not included of course but with internet tough guy syndrome everyone’s perfect and you would have made the perfect choice right?


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Old 10-22-2020 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
I made the mistake of thinking the EILs would be awarded to everyone that applied, considering the state of the industry. Also JR pilots to me were awarded the EIL and are now in my base.

But I guess I should have predicted that and applied to an LOA instead? With the same deadline for both which one would you have picked.

2020 hindsight not included of course but with internet tough guy syndrome everyone’s perfect and you would have made the perfect choice right?


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Its kind of hard to empathize with someone who is saying they had a great job opportunity but didn't take it because the company wouldn't pay them 60% of their salary to go work somewhere else. I think if someone had a great job opportunity, they'd bid for the paid leave first, then the unpaid leave second. Did you call the new employer and say, "Thanks for the great job opportunity but I make more at my current job and I couldn't hold a line that would have subsidized my pay?" Especially if you're nervous of a furlough, I would imagine you'd get your foot in the door at the new job in case your current employer may furlough you in the next year.
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Old 10-22-2020 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
Its kind of hard to empathize with someone who is saying they had a great job opportunity but didn't take it because the company wouldn't pay them 60% of their salary to go work somewhere else. I think if someone had a great job opportunity, they'd bid for the paid leave first, then the unpaid leave second. Did you call the new employer and say, "Thanks for the great job opportunity but I make more at my current job and I couldn't hold a line that would have subsidized my pay?" Especially if you're nervous of a furlough, I would imagine you'd get your foot in the door at the new job in case your current employer may furlough you in the next year.

Yeah hindsight being perfect and all...

Of course I’m being attacked for not making the perfect choice. Now that we know the company did not award an EIL to over 10% of the pilots that asked for it. Yeah I should have chosen differently during an incredibly stressful and uncertain time. Shame on me.

I wasn’t aware that bidding for the EIL and LOA at the same time was even a possibility. Was it?

The only reason I brought this up to begin with was the asinine post about buying up even more simulators and space for the MAX. The only thing the Air Group needs are 175/195 sims. I hear they are hiring pilots at Horizon again.


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Old 10-22-2020 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
Yeah hindsight being perfect and all...

Of course I’m being attacked for not making the perfect choice. Now that we know the company did not award an EIL to over 10% of the pilots that asked for it. Yeah I should have chosen differently during an incredibly stressful and uncertain time. Shame on me.

I wasn’t aware that bidding for the EIL and LOA at the same time was even a possibility. Was it?

The only reason I brought this up to begin with was the asinine post about buying up even more simulators and space for the MAX. The only thing the Air Group needs are 175/195 sims. I hear they are hiring pilots at Horizon again.


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Old 10-22-2020 | 11:08 AM
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Yes , it was possible to bid all different leave , including unpaid leave , in order of preference.
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