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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by miker1
So he should just ignore it, act like it doesn't exist?

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I thought masks and social distancing worked?
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tizzizzailslf04
It really shouldn't be that hard for you to understand why this is a bad argument. People NEED to eat. They NEED to have a working toilet in their home. They NEED to work. Very few people NEED to travel.

I understand what you are saying but if you are around people in the store, restaurants/takeout and at work there is no difference between that and being around people in stores and restaurants at another place. Be rational.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
You know, that's like saying if you're already swimming in shark infested waters in the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean, then there's no added risk to do it in the Indian Ocean.

Or if you bed Lisa, Abby and Mariah unprotected, then there's no added risk to do the same with Jen.

The risk is incremental.

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Actually, to more accurately make the point, I should have said that if you bed Lisa, Abby and Mariah who has the cooties (Corona) with protection (mask, social distancing, etc), you do actually take on more risk if you then go on to bed Jen who also has the cooties, even if you still use protection.

You are correct, exactly right. If you are swimming with sharks the body of water doesn't make a difference. The people who are really and truly afraid of catching this virus will stay in and drastically reduce their interaction with other people. My argument is that if you are not doing that, if you are shopping and eating out there is no more or less risk doing those things in another location.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:30 AM
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I have plenty to do on my property and rarely watch TV. The point is there are many folks that have chosen to hunker down until this goes away. The issue we see is one can spread this disease long before they even feel sick, and the symptoms are across the board from a runny nose to death, so why risk it?

When people with time and resources choose not to travel the airlines are not going to recover.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone
The point is there are many folks that have chosen to hunker down until this goes away.
The majority of scientists agree that this isn't going away. What's your long-term plan?
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone
I have plenty to do on my property and rarely watch TV. The point is there are many folks that have chosen to hunker down until this goes away. The issue we see is one can spread this disease long before they even feel sick, and the symptoms are across the board from a runny nose to death, so why risk it?

When people with time and resources choose not to travel the airlines are not going to recover.

I understand your reasoning and if you are in a higher risk group then you should limit your interactions.

The recovery is already in progress. Over one million passengers on Sunday and a nice uptrend. Holidays will probably bring 1.2 to 1.3 million and next summer will likely be between 1.5 and 2 million. Once international returns we will be back on historic trend and passenger numbers will eventually be higher than the previous records from 2019.

It is important to remember that your situation is yours alone. There are many people in a similar situation that do not make the same choices.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I understand what you are saying but if you are around people in the store, restaurants/takeout and at work there is no difference between that and being around people in stores and restaurants at another place. Be rational.
Going to the store places you in public for ~30 minutes, whereas traveling does so for hours thus increasing your chance of exposure. How is that not a rational conclusion?
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Old 10-20-2020 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream
Going to the store places you in public for ~30 minutes, whereas traveling does so for hours thus increasing your chance of exposure. How is that not a rational conclusion?

Apparently you haven't been to the store with my wife.

Seriously if you go to Wal Mart for half an hour sometime in the next few days just count how many people you come into contact with. When you go to a restaurant does your wait staff wear their mask properly? Not in my area. Do they touch your drink with bare hands? Do you know how many times they have handled someone else's glass? Do they wash their hands after every interaction? Is the kitchen staff wearing masks/gloves? Properly? Do you sanitize your hands after touching every door handle? Come on be honest, your hands would be a dried out block of crusted skin by now if you did.

If you are not locked up on your own property, growing and cooking your own food, not receiving anything by delivery, and not going to work or even visiting with other family then you are already exposing yourself.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I understand what you are saying but if you are around people in the store, restaurants/takeout and at work there is no difference between that and being around people in stores and restaurants at another place. Be rational.
"Be rational"...says the person who is desperately imploring people to shell out hundreds/thousands of dollars for leisure travel during a global pandemic because them not doing so is having too negative an effect on his career.

Ok, buddy. Lol.
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Old 10-20-2020 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
Apparently you haven't been to the store with my wife.

Seriously if you go to Wal Mart for half an hour sometime in the next few days just count how many people you come into contact with. When you go to a restaurant does your wait staff wear their mask properly? Not in my area. Do they touch your drink with bare hands? Do you know how many times they have handled someone else's glass? Do they wash their hands after every interaction? Is the kitchen staff wearing masks/gloves? Properly? Do you sanitize your hands after touching every door handle? Come on be honest, your hands would be a dried out block of crusted skin by now if you did.

If you are not locked up on your own property, growing and cooking your own food, not receiving anything by delivery, and not going to work or even visiting with other family then you are already exposing yourself.
From Boeing Max order to scope issues to travel numbers to “why don’t people fly if they’re going shopping,” to how close you get to waiters and people at Walmart.

I wonder if your before takeoff checklists start with “seatbelts - check” and end with, “they’re putting chemicals in the water that’s making the frogs gay!”
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