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#1061

BGL7566 , 12-08-2021 01:27 PM

On Reserve

It’s on purpose. He wants flight benefits when he retires.

#1062

ZeroTT , 12-08-2021 02:10 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf

Agreed, but I’m not counting on things staying this way. The majors are hiring a ton in ‘22 but things will quickly go the other way as staffing needs are met. By ‘23 I believe 1000 PIC will again be the standard.

chasing pic never a bad plan

but… retirements are likely to keep the hiring machine humming for awhile

#1063

MysteriousMrX , 12-08-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BGL7566

It’s on purpose. He wants flight benefits when he retires.

makes sense. Also figured he was seeing more growth over there and can make more $ as IOE Capt w/ most new hires and upgrades occurring on the 175.
cool guy; just was surprised to see that bid award.

#1064

pangolin , 12-08-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX

#1 to IAH…. unless it’s a mis-award lol.

The other one was more curious to me.

#1065

airspeedsalive , 12-08-2021 04:40 PM

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Anyone know whatever happened with the 737 displacement bid? I missed it of something came out.

#1066

Swarley , 12-08-2021 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf

That’s near-sighted. The most jr upgrade has been consistently falling to the mid-800s on the seniority list. How long that person has been on property is currently confounded by the fact that hiring stopped for nearly 1.5 years. The real upgrade time for someone hired today will be however long it takes for them to reach the mid-800s, give or take. So however long it takes for 3-400 to leave and be replaced. At 17 classes per year there need to be 20-25 per class to bring on that many. At that point the upgrade is one year. That IS the math. There are some assumptions- that the same reasons people have bypassed upgrade in the past will not change going forward (mostly QOL for schedules, not wanting to go on reserve, etc.) and that the total number of pilots remains relatively stable, I.e. hiring is able to keep pace with attrition or flying doesn’t get lost resulting in another hiring freeze. As long as hiring and attrition are happening simultaneously the upgrade will drop to 1 year. That’s how it works. That’s how it’s always worked. A 1.5 year hiring freeze has you all confused.

You’re right it was that in the past, but in the past we were upgrading on both fleets. Right now we’re really only upgrading on one fleet, so both CRJ and EJET FOs are competing for the same spot. And again lifer FOs are now deciding to upgrade. If they open CRJ upgrades again to the old levels then yeah upgrade time will be back to as soon as you get 1000 hours.

#1067

Swarley , 12-08-2021 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pangolin

We are losing pilots with less than 5 years here to United via Aviate. It’s faster than any flow. At present.

Aviate isn’t a guarantee though. As in you still have to get selected, still have to interview and all that stuff. Endeavor is currently doing the flow in less time, and the AA WOs flow time is decreasing, including that sweet bonus.

#1068

Avgeek7248 , 12-08-2021 05:32 PM

What's a weekend?

Leave as soon as you can. Spirit, Netjets, and corporate have been eating FO's on the CRJ left and right. Trying to guess the future upgrade times is pointless. No one knows. So much can happen to effect it.

#1069

jetlag q , 12-08-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pangolin

But you are wrong. You are wrong because classes are full with a back log of applications. The company can hire just fine. They misjudged how many FO’s would leave on the crj side when their bonus contracts were up and there was no upgrade IN TYPE in sight. This is a temporary problem fixed by moving new hires to the crj. In 3 months this will be a memory.

that is not true. EVERY CLASS HAS NO SHOWS!

#1070

BGL7566 , 12-08-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX

makes sense. Also figured he was seeing more growth over there and can make more $ as IOE Capt w/ most new hires and upgrades occurring on the 175.
cool guy; just was surprised to see that bid award.

Pretty sure you can’t be a check airman with 0 hours in the platform.