Will you get the vaccine? - Page 7 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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rickair7777 , 01-26-2021 06:47 AM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by Arturito

TLDR: You cant sue the pharma company nor the FDA if anything goes wrong. I realize 99% of people won't have any ugly side effects but the fact that the 1% are SOL is really disturbing.

It's far less than 1%. Very far less, or they would never get out of clinical trials. And you're not SOL, there's a compensation program... it's just not equivalent to winning the lottery (like you might hope for in a lawsuit).

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

#62

Escargot , 01-26-2021 07:13 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Pilots may not be given a choice

Since when one does something they all do.

#63

Arturito , 01-26-2021 12:21 PM

Line Holder

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I didnt mean the 99-1 ratio in a literal way.

The article mentions the VCIP in the last paragraph:

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The VICP allows for recovery of pain and suffering, attorney’s fees, along with medical expenses and lost wages, if any,” said Michael Maxwell, a lawyer who practices in the areas of business litigation and personal injury. “Under the CICP, it’s only lost wages and out-of-pocket medical expenses. That’s it, unless there’s a death.”

The Covid-19 vaccines, however, aren’t on the list of eligible vaccines.

Reiss said the best fix would be to change VICP’s rulebook to add Covid vaccines to its list of covered inoculations. “That will require legislative change. I hope that legislative change happens.”

Hopefully the law is changed very soon and retro active.
The vaccines are obviously safe but the 0.000.....01 % (whatever that number is) who picked the short straw need to be compensated.

#64

rickair7777 , 01-26-2021 03:00 PM

Prime Minister/Moderator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arturito

Hopefully the law is changed very soon and retro active.

Not happening and for good reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arturito

The vaccines are obviously safe but the 0.000.....01 % (whatever that number is) who picked the short straw need to be compensated.

They are compensated, they just don't win the lottery to the tune of hundreds of $M. If they did, most pharma would be out of business.

Ultimately everyone has the choice as to whether to get any vaccine or not.

#65

Phins2right , 01-26-2021 03:47 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Absolutely. As others have pointed out, there is a moral responsibility to ending the pandemic. I know people argue that there isn't currently any documentation that the vaccine will keep you from spreading covid to others. I argue that, on the other side of the coin, there isn't any documentation that it doesn't either. So far, the belief amongst medical experts seems to be that, even if you can still spread it, it is to a lesser extent with the vaccine.. putting others around you at far less risk. This belief stems from the fact that the virus is hanging out in your nasal mucus. While the vaccine will keep it from replicating inside your body, it may not be able to hit the small amount still sitting in your nose. But, if it isn't replicating inside your body, you are spreading a far smaller viral load than someone without the vaccine. This puts someone else at a far smaller risk of developing a serious case, if they even became symptomatic at all. I guess it's like spraying someone with a squirt gun vs a fire hose. They're still going to get a little wet, but not soaked to the bone.

Also, as a healthy person in their mid-30s, I'm not particularly worried about being wiped off the earth by covid. However, I've talked to enough people who have had covid that still get winded going up a flight of stairs a couple months after recovery. The lingering, and possibly long term effects are concerning. What may be a mild inconvenience for most people could be career ending for a pilot. I feel that any possible long term effects of covid far outweigh any from a vaccine.

As a healthy person <70 - any doctor telling you to take the experimental vaccine is liable. Especially women of child bearing age.

The experimental vaccine DOES NOT, WILL NOT stop the spread. It only lessens (theoretically and yet to be proven) the affects of the virus.

Lingering affects you refer to are not documented or officially recognized ATM. They've seen the same effects, BTW, with general flu bugs. MERS and H5N1 on the other hand did have severe and often lifetime acting affects on those who had it and survived.

In the end it should remain a personal decision to take the experimental vaccine or not. No one can tell you what to do with your body. Let's hope is remains this way.

Best of luck to you and to your health.

#66

BoilerUP , 01-26-2021 03:58 PM

The NeverEnding Story

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Originally Posted by Phins2right

The experimental vaccine DOES NOT, WILL NOT stop the spread. It only lessens (theoretically and yet to be proven) the affects of the virus.

Where does this oft-repeated claim come from?

There's not yet definitive data that SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will prevent transmission so scientists can't and won't make that claim...but generally speaking, that's precisely what other vaccines do.

Absence of evidence does not necessarily mean evidence of absence.

#67

Gordie H , 01-26-2021 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Phins2right

In the end it should remain a personal decision to take the experimental vaccine or not. No one can tell you what to do with your body. Let's hope is remains this way.

Nice...right out of the Qanon lexicon: "My body my choice"
https://www.asisonline.org/security-...uage-of-qanon/

#68

Phins2right , 01-26-2021 04:03 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Fauxchi said it himself not 2 days ago.

Keep up.

That is why you still need to mask, social distance etc.

#69

Phins2right , 01-26-2021 04:07 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by Gordie H

Nice...right out of the Qanon lexicon: "My body my choice"
https://www.asisonline.org/security-...uage-of-qanon/

What is a q whatever???

you obviously don't read what I write on here. I have no love of politics or politicians. it's the worlds second oldest profession.

not sure what you're driving at - other than to use it to "win" an argument almost like calling someone racist. Typical these days. Just cry racist or q whatever and then never have to argue the merits. Lazy.

You and about 7 others on here are always guilty of that. Facts. My assertions are proven by facts. Go back, read my posts, then look at what is going on. No q whatever. Just facts.

#70

Gordie H , 01-26-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Phins2right

I've read your posts sir - they tick ALL the boxes of Qanon:

https://www.asisonline.org/security-...-come-to-work/