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Quote: Could you give me a little more detail please?
They basically throw you an iPad and say “The oral is in 2 weeks, good luck!”

You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
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Quote: The training is geared towards people coming from other ACMIs still. That said, we have improved from where we were. Regarding the "We won't spoon feed you." comment, I agree that's usually said about programs that are poorly designed/run. Perhaps I can help clarify?

About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.

That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.

Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.

This makes sense, sounds good, thanks
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Quote: They basically throw you an iPad and say “The oral is in 2 weeks, good luck!”

You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.

Never had the luxury of AQP
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Quote: The training is geared towards people coming from other ACMIs still. That said, we have improved from where we were. Regarding the "We won't spoon feed you." comment, I agree that's usually said about programs that are poorly designed/run. Perhaps I can help clarify?

About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.

That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.

Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.
You wrote it better than I ever could. This 100%.
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Quote: They basically throw you an iPad and say “The oral is in 2 weeks, good luck!”

You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
AQP isn't about hand-holding. Based on the before and after fail rates at different companies, it doesn't seem easier either. When the system was coming into being decades ago there were comments along the lines of this being a new way of training for people that can't hack it. That view typically disappears once a person actually experiences the system. You will stilll be flying maneuvers and profiles. You will still be checked on knowledge. What AQP gets rid of is a set routine where we know precisely what questions we'll get, what maneuvers we will encounter when, etc. Moreover it makes training more realistic. Combined with LOSA/FOQA and other data collections, crews can fly the scenarios that give our airline and others trouble. I'm sure you've read the same pamphlets I have.

Getting instructors and standards on the same page is really the hard part of the program.
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anyone know how long it took from recieving the onboarding offer to getting a class date/type award?
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Quote: anyone know how long it took from recieving the onboarding offer to getting a class date/type award?
My interview was in July. 2 days later I had a CJO with a class date. Once accepted they send you the drug test form, pria, etc.
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Quote: My interview was in July. 2 days later I had a CJO with a class date. Once accepted they send you the drug test form, pria, etc.
Thanks just curious about their whole process. Was offered an unofficial job 2 hours after the interview. The next day got the official offer. Its been almost a week so im guessing theyre just busy.
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Quote: Thanks just curious about their whole process. Was offered an unofficial job 2 hours after the interview. The next day got the official offer. Its been almost a week so im guessing theyre just busy.
Did they send you the list of documents and drug test? If not I'd probably wait till end of week and reach out. They definiely need pilots!
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Quote: Thanks just curious about their whole process. Was offered an unofficial job 2 hours after the interview. The next day got the official offer. Its been almost a week so im guessing theyre just busy.
I waited about 2 weeks to receive a class date that was 5 months out when I did my interview. This was on the 767 in early summer, so ymmv
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