I never said anything about the Envoy contract. That's just another straw man from you.

Your two comments about 747 upgrade and the wait time for Envoy captain training are completely unrelated and makes no sense.

Envoy pilots have the potential to make $300/hour within the first two years while Atlas pilots are far below that. That's a fact. You've been trying to dance around it and create straw men arguments but you're just wrong.

You responded to a guy who said he is a 1500 hour CFI. You started with a straw man.
lame and dumb. Thats you I guess.

Again. Can you fly 1400 hours in 24 months at Envoy?

eh - dera is just justifying his jump to acmi by dumping on others. he's not a fan of pilots making much money to begin with

Are you refuting anything I said?
If you look at when I jumped, you'll see I benefited greatly from our art33. So thanks but I'm good.

The AA WO contracts are impressive. I'd just offer a word of caution if people are assuming they'll hold CKA (LCA, LCP?) pay at Envoy. People who are there today are going to be first to hold those check Airman positions. It's possible somebody is going to DEC and become a check Airman the year after. I would not plan on that being common.

Still, even if you forget the check airman and bonus pay, 5 years and you're set one way or another. Seems a pretty easy choice for anyone without seniority.

20+ years in this industry, and I've NEVER seen anyone upgrade and become an LCA in the same year. Especially if they're coming in with 1500 hours. Who knows though, in this bizzaro world, anything is possible.

Yeah, it's just about what is possible at Envoy vs what's possible at Atlas. At Envoy it's possible that a Captain from another regional with lots of 121 time gets hired as direct entry Captain and becomes LCA in the same year and is now making nearly $300/hour vs Atlas where this would be impossible because the hourly rates are much lower. It's possible that a 1500 hour pilot could do it at Envoy as well just not as likely.

No, it's not possible. I already told you why.
You are so clueless it's not even funny. Become an LCA same year as you get hired? Lol. You don't even know what's required for their LCAs. Just stop dude. You are just embarrassing yourself more.

In your universe, it's also possible for the pilot to upgrade to the 747 in 6 months, and make much more. Will it happen? No. But we are apparently living in your reality, not the actual reality.

It's not currently possible for a pilot to upgrade to Captain at Atlas on the 747 in 6 months but it could be in the future and if someone did and even became an LCA they would make less per hour than at Envoy.

You've said that what I just said was impossible. So explain how a "Captain from another regional with lots of 121 time gets hired as direct entry Captain and becomes LCA in the same year and is now making nearly $300/hour" is impossible at Envoy. By the way, it doesn't matter if they make LCA in the first year or the second year. In both scenarios they would make more per hour than if they had gone to Atlas.

Because you can't be a LCA in the same year you got hired. Since you know Envoy so well, you should know this.
But you have no clue what you are talking about.

Best case scenario, just when you hit 2 years. But you know this, because you are arguing with me about Envoys contract.

I've already explained why you are wrong. Just admit it and move on. You started this by saying a 1500 hour CFI can be a LCA in 2 years, now you are back pedaling and hit the wall. You just have no clue.

You must be an Envoy recruiter.