Swakid8

You are all over the place….

First you said it was a year, now you are saying it’s two. Either way, it isn’t likely a DEC to become a LCA in 2 years…..

I think you need to slow your roll some and temper those lofty scenarios you are tossing out.

Which brings me to my point, you are arguing with someone who has spent time not only just at Envoy but in Union leadership position who is familiar with Envoys CBA, policies, procedures and processes of how things go. Last time I check, You aren’t a recent Envoy employee.

Stick to arguing what you are familiar with, Atlas ways of doing things.

mcfadden

No, this all started when Dera was deceiving people about the new Envoy contract and I pointed out that you can get a higher rate sooner there than at Atlas. Even if I was an "Envoy cheerleader" it would be to the benefit of our pilot group to do that kind of cheerleading. Your kind of cheerleading (in favor of Atlas) only hurts your pilot group and makes it a little less likely that we will see contract improvements.

mcfadden

Is reading difficult for you? As I've said many times, I gave a few different scenarios. Some of those scenarios involved becoming an LCA in their second year. Here's one scenario from page 3: "However, it's also true that in his case he could get enough time in his first year or so to upgrade during his second year and if he also became an LCA then he would be at $300 an hour."

The person I was just responding to said it was "almost impossible" for anyone to become an LCA in their second year. But you're saying it "isn't likely". I'm not arguing that it's likely. I'm saying it could be done and isn't "almost impossible".

If you can't read well, why respond to someone else's conversation?

jrmyl

Here's an idea for both Dera and McFadden. Shut up and take it to private messages. The rest of us are tired of your back and forth crap.

notthesame

Last time I checked this was a public message board. You don't get to have your own conversation. You're clearly a troll, and nobody here has ever met a 121 LCA who has <two years seniority.

If you're so sure it's possible, go do it. We all know you hate Atlas (from all your other private conversations on here).

Atlasvet

I have to ask, why would a person with two airlines worth of 121 time and LCA time even be looking for a job?

Clearly you just like to debate, regardless of the realities.

I agree, it’s beyond this debate is beyond tiresome.

mcfadden

I just asked why you didn't bother to read or understand what was being said before interjecting and being critical. Never said you couldn't or shouldn't.

I've seen your debate strategy before: lose debate, call other person troll. Brilliant.

So it seems you admit that it's not "almost impossible". You've just never seen an LCA with less than 2 years at a company. I've seen many.

Is that really how your mind works? 'I've never seen one, therefore it must be almost impossible'.

mcfadden

"Two airlines worth"? What? One airline worth would suffice.

Ever heard of the regional airlines that went out of business during Covid? There were lots of pilots with thousands of hours of experience that were looking for a job.

Really? You couldn't even imagine that scenario?

notthesame

You don't live in the real world. "Almost Impossible" means quite literally that it is almost impossible but not totally impossible. I didn't debate with you *at all* about *anything*. Perhaps you should look at the username you're arguing with. But if you'd like to look at the numbers, I'm here for you:

Pilots on the seniority list: 2411
Captains (roughly 50%): 1206

You don't think that at *least* 1000 of those Captains are at this very moment trying to figure out how they can be an LCA? Yet you think some street hire FO (AFAIK Envoy isn't hiring street captains) is going to make it through new hire training, OE, bid for captain, get captain, go through upgrade training, get through captain OE and then IMMEDIATELY be awarded an LCA position over the 1000 Captains who've a) been there longer b) had a 6 month head start? Lets not forget all the sim center captains who all of the sudden now want to be out doing OE trips.

I'd call that "Almost Impossible".

Troll.

mcfadden

Yep, you're the same person I'm arguing with. Why did you want me to check your username? Are you OK? You're not making much sense. You're the one who also is claiming that it's "almost impossible" to be an LCA in less than 2 years because you've never seen one.

A pilot doesn't have to get an LCA position over 1,000 Captains. Many either do not want it or have been denied. LCA positions aren't given out based on seniority, are they? Keep calling me a troll. It's such a convincing argument.

You've yet to provide evidence to your claim that it's "almost impossible" to become an LCA in under 2 years.

I've noticed from your previous posts that you're also an Atlas cheerleader. Our pilot group is doomed with so many company men/women. We're less likely to ever get a standard or better contract with people like you.