Application/resume review for Atlas
06-12-2022, 12:30 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by dera
If you bothered to read his post, you would have seen he is a 1500 hour CFI.
But I know you are not interested in these little facts of life.
But I know you are not interested in these little facts of life.
So what part of any of this is not true? Will you finally admit that a pilot (even this specific pilot) could make more at Envoy? Or are you just determined to recruit as many pilot to Atlas as possible and the facts be damned?
06-12-2022, 12:35 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by mcfadden
I'm aware of that which is why the first three words I said was, "If a pilot". I'm speaking in general. However, it's also true that in his case he could get enough time in his first year or so to upgrade during his second year and if he also became an LCA then he would be at $300 an hour. There is great potential there.
So what part of any of this is not true? Will you finally admit that a pilot (even this specific pilot) could make more at Envoy? Or are you just determined to recruit as many pilot to Atlas as possible and the facts be damned?
So what part of any of this is not true? Will you finally admit that a pilot (even this specific pilot) could make more at Envoy? Or are you just determined to recruit as many pilot to Atlas as possible and the facts be damned?
How long were you there for? Do you actually have any clue what you are talking about?
06-12-2022, 12:43 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by dera
No. You can not get enough time, upgrade, and become a LCA during your second year.
How long were you there for? Do you actually have any clue what you are talking about?
How long were you there for? Do you actually have any clue what you are talking about?
06-12-2022, 12:54 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by mcfadden
Why can't you? Back up your claim.
This is the best possible scenario.
Just FYI: I was the highest block hour FO at Voy. I know how it works there.
06-12-2022, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Because it takes 2 months from DOH to IOE, then you can average 80 hours a month so end of year you are at 800 hours. You need 150 more to get awarded a CA spot, which are awarded quarterly. Then you wait 2-3 months (optimistic) to start training on the 145. LT is another 2 months, so you fly your first flight as CA after around 19 months after DOH. Then you need 300 hours of PIC to be eligible for LCA, add LCA training and you are at 25-26 months.
This is the best possible scenario.
Just FYI: I was the highest block hour FO at Voy. I know how it works there.
This is the best possible scenario.
Just FYI: I was the highest block hour FO at Voy. I know how it works there.
If he did 90 hours a month and only waited a month for training on the 145 and then got LCA after 300 hours he would be at $300 an hour, wouldn't he?
Other pilots could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
06-12-2022, 02:14 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by mcfadden
No, it's not the best possible scenario. You're deceiving people again. Why couldn't you do 90 hours a month with some overtime? That 2-3 months of waiting that you added in there isn't best case scenario either, it's just what you think is realistic.
If he did 90 hours a month and only waited a month for training on the 145 and then got LCA after 300 hours he would be at $300 an hour, wouldn't he?
Other pilots could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
If he did 90 hours a month and only waited a month for training on the 145 and then got LCA after 300 hours he would be at $300 an hour, wouldn't he?
Other pilots could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
I told you, I was the highest block hour FO there. I know it better than you do. Stop the BS.
I was just a guy who sat with mgmt enforcing the contract there. You?
Somehow I think I know how things are better than you do.
06-12-2022, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Why wouldnt you? Because its not possible.
I told you, I was the highest block hour FO there. I know it better than you do. Stop the BS.
I was just a guy who sat with mgmt enforcing the contract there. You?
Somehow I think I know how things are better than you do.
I told you, I was the highest block hour FO there. I know it better than you do. Stop the BS.
I was just a guy who sat with mgmt enforcing the contract there. You?
Somehow I think I know how things are better than you do.
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer:
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
C'mon company stooge, admit it.
06-12-2022, 02:27 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by mcfadden
It's not possible to exceed 80 hours a month at Envoy? You're a joke. Even if it wasn't the other scenario (short wait for 145 training) I mentioned gets a zero 121 hour new hire to $300/hour before 24 months and if the company extends it past 2 years they'll be over $300 for at least another 2 after that.
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer:
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer:
All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
Until that. You are a joke.
Btw. I can tell math is hard for you. 83*12=996. If you knew their contract, you would know why it matters.
But since you dont, you are a joke.
06-12-2022, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You never answered me. How long were you there for? And how well you know their contract?
Until that. You are a joke.
Btw. I can tell math is hard for you. 83*12=996. If you knew their contract, you would know why it matters.
Until that. You are a joke.
Btw. I can tell math is hard for you. 83*12=996. If you knew their contract, you would know why it matters.
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer yet again: All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
06-12-2022, 02:41 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by mcfadden
Never said I was at Envoy. You're just trying to deflect. Even in your scenario where they averaged 83 hours a month if the wait for 145 training is a few weeks they could be at $300 an hour before two years and potentially another 2 or more after that. And that's just for the zero 121 time guy who shows up.
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer yet again: All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
Then there's the other scenario I mentioned where pilots with 121 experience could get direct captain upgrade and LCA in first year, potentially, and make almost $300 an hour.
And here again is the question you refused to answer yet again: All of that is higher pay than Atlas, isn't it?
Just as realistic as waiting for Envoy CA training for a few weeks. You just have no clue. Its fine.
You are seriously arguing Envoy contract with a former Envoy contract guy, when you never worked there yourself? Get real.
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