[quote=trunk junk;188450]Agreed. There is no place for incomplete on the 8710 only approved or disapproved.

To discontinue a checkride is for reasons like weather(ref. Examiners handbook). Failure is a disapproval. By the time you take the checkride you have already completed the 141 course and have a graduation certificate (Assuming no self examination authority). Self examination means the ACR can issue a certificate when you complete the course.

Just wondering what your opinions are on the way UND does it. For the sake of simplicity, we're gonna assume the end of Avit 325, where you get your Comm ASEL AMEL IA if/when you pass. Here, you'll fill out an in house slip that has all the information for the 8710 before hand, they double check your times and such, and then put you in for the stage. After you pass, they'll send in your 8710 (I don't know if it was printed before or after your stage). You wait a few weeks, and then pick up temp from the desk. That's one of the biggest downsides to going here, you don't get your temp right after the ride Anyways, back on topic. If you fail the ride, you just redo the training and try again. Nobody gets a pink slip, and since they don't send in the paperwork till after the fact, does that mean it's impossible to "fail" a ride when going through the university? (and I'm not talking about the university's initial pass/fail rate, that's somewhere around 90%, apparently)

As far as your FAA records go you did not fail the checkride. You only "fail" if you get the dreaded pink slip. It will not show up on your FAA record, only the part 141 training record. When I applied at PNCL I told them about my failed stage checks here at UND because I was unaware that those failures were not on my FAA record. When I was talking with the interviewer he asked if they were university stage checks, when I told him yes he said he didn't care about them, just if I had ever gotten a pink slip. Some applications ask if you have ever failed a checkride OR a stage check, in that case you would have to disclose any part 141 stage checks, otherwise only if you got the pretty pink sheet of paper.

[QUOTE=trunk junk;188450]Like I said before some DPE's don't do it it correctly, or maybe they just intentionally chose not to give the student the full benefit of the 141 regs...

There is a different version of the 8710 for 141 EOC checks (It is generated by a software package). If you pass, a temp is issued and the 8710 gets processed normally. If you get an "incomplete" the 8710 goes in the round file, and the appropriate 141 paperwork indicating an incomplete goes in your 141 training record. You get additional 141 training then try again.

The point is that YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET A LETTER OF DISAPPROVAL (PINK SLIP) on a 141 checkride. Like I said before if you get a pink slip it's in your record for good.

It is legal to train under 141 and then take the checkride under 61, and this is common if you already meet 61 experience but may be missing certain required 141 lessons. But if you qualify for 141, you should not have to take a 61 checkride just because a DPE is too lazy to understand 141 paperwork requirements...

At MTSU (part 141) we do all the training, meet the 141 requirements and take a normal checkride. You either pass or fail and you do it with a DPE. You get the white or the pink slip and occasionally discontinue until the next day for weather. Point is, that is totally legal and correct to do. In the end, the only thing that matter is the TCO. If it has different procedures, then that is what you do since that's what the FAA approved.

It is true that different schools have different levels of authority with regards to examining. Also some schools have "gentlemen's agreements" with their inspecting FSDO to do things a certain way.