As a Newhire at Delta, last summer, I would think that pretty dumb also. The Newhires at both companies should just be DOH.

slinky

Looks like I posted with a bit more "hostile" tone than I intended. Sorry about that! The bottom line is that DAL has had good movement the past few years, mostly due to the massive early retirement a couple of years ago.

But it is not so good as urban legend would have you believe.

I will get $126.00 a month in 17 years, Yeah!!

why is that such a big deal because their seniority is relatively the same except for when they were hired and between the last pilot and first pilot their is only 1 number difference(career expectations are probably the same). the last guy hired at either company was only on property for a very short time period and the first pilots at either company are right behind them.

would that philosophy work if american and continental merged?

are you worried that a delta new hire would be put in front of you because they have hired more than nwa and lowering your relative seniority? would you be for it if nwa new hires were put in front of some of delta's pre 9-11 hires. nwa has more senior pilots so the junior/newhire believe they should get something for that.

that's a great deal for delta's new hires considering you started hiring before nwa and that would allow you to take advantage of the senior pilots at nwa compared to the nwa new hires. shocking that delta new hires would think that way.

would delta have even been hiring if the top pilots didn't jump ship before the bankrupcy?

Thanks for the realistic info on your seniority. The urban legends has us all guessing.

As far as I am concerned every new hire should be behind anyone that had to endure the pitfalls of post 9/11.
That is fair.

Here is why Delta and NWA will never come to a consensus without a mediator. Like you said, this argument is not rational. This argument is basically asking newer Delta pilots to take it in the rear for the pain caused to NWA after 9/11. Everyone is very sorry 9/11 happened, but if you think Delta "owes" you anything because of the crap that happened after 9/11, your wrong.

In this argument, you could be, say ~90 percent seniority at NWA. If you do merge with Delta, you demand at least, lets say ~80 percent seniority at the merged company if the highest post 9/11 Delta hire is at 81%.

That's ridiculous, and your right, not rational.

We're all very sorry 9/11 affected this industry so much, but guess what, that doesn't mean you have to take it out on the people who got hired post 9/11.

Remember, you may have been furloughed and cut wages for 5-6 years, but there are other people out there who were unable to get hired for 5-6 years too since NWA and Delta weren't hiring. So don't try and make the guys who hadn't been hired yet take it in the rear again just because they were hired at another carrier. Everyone was affected by 9/11; not just young guys at the airlines, but regional guys, military guys all around were affected.

You are an idiot.

See my above post.

Newsflash Einstein: We were all hurt by 9/11, not just you...

and you don't think that the new hires endured the pitfalls of 9/11. they're making less now than pre 9/11 new hires did and they also had a 6 year hold put on thier career projections and earnings.

I don't know about nwa furloughs but I heard that delta furloughs got longevity in pay. when they came back they came back at 6th year pay not 1st. if that is the case I would make the argument that delta/nwa new hires are still feeling the affects of 9/11 more so than the furloughs because they didn't get longevity like them.

I would bet that everyone endured the affects of 911 unless you might be like superpilot who let everyone know that he is like 18 and the youngest guy in his class...