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Quote: Did the union drive ever get anywhere? 2000's?
There never was a union drive, and there will never be 2000's.
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I adore thread revivals. Lets keep it rolling here.
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How does everyone at PenAir feel about Horizon coming up to Alaska?
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I don't think QX coming to ANC would affect PenAir as much as it would affect Era/Frontier. PenAir & AS have had a decent relationship for many years & I don't think AS would want to disrupt that... and I doubt they'd fly the Q400 to DUT but who knows. The ANC-FAI route is a different story.

It all depends on where they decide to fly the Q, but I don't think it'll be major in PenAir's core markets, aside from Bristol Bay in the summer maybe.
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I dig this first part

Quote: it looks like ERA the second largest regional in the state of Alaska is going under
they fly 4 dash 8 100 series
PenAir flies 7 SAAB 340B's
if we have to put 3 more planes on at 3 crews per plane thats 18 pilots
if you ever wanted to fly for PenAir or live in Alaska looks like its time to get ready and get your resume in
I am going to make these guys my career airline wahoo
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Quote: I don't think QX coming to ANC would affect PenAir as much as it would affect Era/Frontier. PenAir & AS have had a decent relationship for many years & I don't think AS would want to disrupt that... and I doubt they'd fly the Q400 to DUT but who knows. The ANC-FAI route is a different story.

It all depends on where they decide to fly the Q, but I don't think it'll be major in PenAir's core markets, aside from Bristol Bay in the summer maybe.
From what I've heard they can't operate the Q into dutch with anything more than 38 seats.... and can't use CDB as an alternate. And most conversations with alaska and horizon crews seem to say the same thing: they're mostly doing SE AK and going after Era for competing with them in their codeshare markets. It'll be interesting to see either way.

Also, given Horizon's conservative operating procedures, I find it hard to see them making it in to many places, especially with their wind limits. And given how often the wx in SW AK exceeds those limits, I think it'd be a loss for them. Just my opinion there.
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Quote: Anybody have any inside information on PenAir hiring? I was just down at the AK Aviation Trade show and heard they're in need of FOs right now.
For anyone who's flown or is flying there, is the pay scale on APC correct? The way I read it, you're making $2300/month if you max-out your hours ... does that sound about right? Secondary question, does second-year pay become livable? (Since there's no published payscale on APC)

The class starts Monday, so I think we are done hiring for now. That could change pretty fast though. You get a base pay, for ex 2300 month plus 23 per hour, and a safety bonus (100/200 depending if you have an ATP). I'm not exactly sure what an FO makes year 2, I'll check...You can fly as much as you want though. Most of the Saabs are 135 time and duty.
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Quote: Thanks for the info! I'll stop by on monday and see what I can find out ...
Every month $100 safety bonus
Year 1: 11's (1100 a month, plus $11 per flight hour)
Year 2: 12's (maybe 12.5)
Year 3: 15's
Year 4: 18's
Year 5: 19's
Year 6 and on: 20's
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Quote: Yeah, it does seem that the union thing has lost steam. I'm sorry to say that, but it is what it is. With the help of ALPA "The coalition for penair unionization" determined that; Based upon the current pilot group,
the ratification of Peninsula Airways is not likely. This was indicated by a mathematical analysis that took place in December. The main issue was once again......the pilots insecurity with union participation. These are some of the highlights of our results. The running theme is that people can’t leave Penair, because this is their only option…Theses statistics are based on interviews with current and former employees as well as information that is public knowledge.
1) 29% of the pilot group has DUI/DWI violations or some sort of major alcohol related moving violations.
2) 41% of the pilot group does not hold an accredited four year bachelor degree.
3) 16% Show some signs of various personality and social disorders, which would preclude onward employment.
4) 36% have some sort of FAA action on their record. Accident, incident or violations.

There were a few more stats that were compiled, but they were insignificant. These numbers alone do not preclude Penair from becoming unionized. They just show that some of the people within these groups will not be able to attain employment at the major airline or cargo level, and therefore don’t want to risk this gamble. As always we will continue this fight, we believe that once the economy takes an upswing, the general consensus will change. With a slight change in the pilot group demographic, we do believe our goal of unionization can happen.

Down on my knees to serve my fellow pilots forever.................TT




Is this information still accurate at Penair?
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They just closed the Dillingham base. It wasn't that big, they were just too stubborn to compete there.
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