The difficult with getting things picked off the board lately has been because company ot is paying time and a half. That's soon to go away.

Domestic turn trips haven't stopped being picked up off Tripboard, even with 150% POs.

Is it possible for a local pilot on say, the 757 to get out and backs for an entire 28 day period? Or is that sporadic?

At UPS, we call "out and backs" turns.

There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").

Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.

I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.

Yea, makes sense. I figured if they existed, they would be fairly senior. Thanks for the quick reply!

Ive also seen reference to "conflict bidding" and im fairly certain I know what that means, but just to confirm.... this would be where you pick up two lines that have overlapping trips and planning then drops those trips cause they touch each other (or some variation of that). When do they drop trips or take things off your schedule as it pertains to "touching", either training, other trips, vacation or otherwise?

I’m a PM turn fellow. Tried AM turns one bid period but didn’t agree with me. I’m more of a night person anyway, so the times more aligned with my body clock but have met many folks who like the AM turns.

With conflict bidding, if you have a trip at the end of the bid period that carries into the next bid period and it touches a trip then trip #2 will drop in it’s entirety unless it transits your domicile. Scheduling does have the right to reschedule you on those days and unfortunately, they’ve gotten pretty good at it. Other scenario could be dropping your recurrent training in the middle of a trip and hopefully score some extra days off. Vacation is similar although there are variations to the rules that would take too long to describe here.

On another note, I hated turns but then again I don’t live in domicile.

And yes, the 74 guys seem to get lots of late arrival pay but I haven’t had late arrival pay in 6 years. YMMV.

Conflict bidding is either an overlap of 2 trips from adjoining bid periods or a dropping a training event on top of an awarded trip. They drop the trip in the future bid period for the overlap example and the entire trip for the training example. They can back fill you on legal days of the dropped trips footprint or have you rejoin your trip if it flows through domicile, the details are too complex to go into here. It is truly an art to conflict to maximum potential. Easier in ANC as they don’t have many small trips to back fill you with. All other domiciles usually have 1-3 day trips they can backfill you with. In my experience, I usually get at least a day or two paid off.

Dude, to do that you have to have almost 2300 credit hours if you are at $220/hr. I’ll give you upper 3’s / lower 4’s for those working the system. Upper 4’s, you’re gunna have to produce the math cuz I’m calling major BS! Not like guys are sitting reserve not getting called picking up time and a half on their days off.

For those following: our guarantee is 975 hrs/year. I think 1200 is probably average for a whale or MD international FO, which factors in premiums and late arrivals.

My last three months on the Z I made closer to $40 than $30. Second year FO pay. I was working my ass off though and working the system. Had a boat to pay for. Now I just sit on the boat and watch planes fly over and think to myself “suckers”. Haven’t picked up anything extra since and don’t plan on it.