Turner also says the DHL move may not be limited to the company’s money losing US operations. He says senior DHL officials acknowledged that the UPS-DHL strategic alliance in the US market may include UPS-DHL's Asian and European operations in the future.

Interesting quote. The Big elephant in the room no one talks about. This could lead to a deeper relationship in which DHL starts doing the "lift" in Europe/or Asia. Remember, the Labor laws stop at the border.

Or if the glass is half-full, it could mean the IPA pilots doing the flying for DHL in Europe/Asia.

The agreement we have , opposed to you at FDX, is that if its legal for us to fly it we fly it.
If I was DHL Europe or Pac rim I would be concerned. If you look in the dictionary next to control freak you will find a photo of UPS management. UPS management doesn't share control.

UPS management doesn't share control.--

Your Kidding, right?

Have you ever heard of MNG? Or Yangzee River? Or Transmile? And I'll throw in STAR just for kicks. Because UPS has moved the Trips around so the IPA couldn't fly it and STAR could.

I'm guessing 3 pages of yes they can, no they can't statements. It's aviation, anything is possible.

Nah. Not worth the effort

When talking about this deal, this is the one area that I have said over and over again that the "devil will be in the details". I hope that it doesn't rear it's ugly head, but it will be interesting to see what the final contract brings.

"Or if the glass is half-full, it could mean the IPA pilots doing the flying for DHL in Europe/Asia."

Don't be so sure that it won't be DHL that moves the UPS freight in other countries.

If the UPS/DHL deal is inked, There is an extremely likely possibility that UPS boxes will move on any one of the hundreds of local DHL planes based in one of the dozens of countries around the world. If you think your contract is strong and solid enough to prevent this, you may be in for a nasty surprise. DHL has been playing shell games for years with boxes, taxes, and regulations. They are experts at this and it will be next to impossible to track and prove who has your freight on board - and then enforce your rights - when this all happens half a world away.

I'm not saying you don't have a good contract and a valid claim to your freight. I'm just saying that you shouldn't assume you won't have a fight on your hands. Once this camel gets his nose into your tent, you're going to be dealing with the beast for the rest of your life.

Driver

ah....another ABX/Astar guy.

Thanks for the doom and gloom forecast. I guess I should start sending out resumes to commuters?

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
"Or if the glass is half-full, it could mean the IPA pilots doing the flying for DHL in Europe/Asia."

Don't be so sure that it won't be DHL that moves the UPS freight in other countries.

If the UPS/DHL deal is inked, There is an extremely likely possibility that UPS boxes will move on any one of the hundreds of local DHL planes based in one of the dozens of countries around the world. If you think your contract is strong and solid enough to prevent this, you may be in for a nasty surprise. DHL has been playing shell games for years with boxes, taxes, and regulations. They are experts at this and it will be next to impossible to track and prove who has your freight on board - and then enforce your rights - when this all happens half a world away.

I'm not saying you don't have a good contract and a valid claim to your freight. I'm just saying that you shouldn't assume you won't have a fight on your hands. Once this camel gets his nose into your tent, you're going to be dealing with the beast for the rest of your life.

DriverI wouldn't send out resumes just yet. However, if someone makes a common sense or logical post then it's the content that one should heed vice discarding due to whom the messenger is.

Internet message boards are absolutely no place for common sense or logic !