What do you say de727 I think that would be a nice bit of info to share for all the ups/fedex wannabes.

Where would that information come from? I mean I have no way of finding out how many applications are on file for trying to get into OCS. Why would Joe pilot have access to that HR information? Where does the 40,000 number so often thrown around come from?

USMCFLYR

OK fair enough. All I get out of it is that for the vast majority of line pilots sacrifices to the family life must be made to continue the pursuit. ie holiday's, birthday's etc. to some it's no big deal. To the child it likely is. I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for.

I've been living the military life for some time so I can safely say that I'm up to date on the whole family sacrifice thing and the effects on marriage and children. I see it regularly and have lived it to t he fullest myself - and yet plenty of people still feel that it is good enough to pursue a career in. Not everybody - and that is OK - but for the ones that it works for or who believe the sacrifice is worth it for some reason - it would not be proper for someone to come along and say that they have failed themselves or their family or have hurt their children in some way or another. Its just mean spirited. If one can't see that then there is nothing I can do about it; but I don't have to be like that.

Second part - I'm in that situation right now. I could take a sim job with good pay and benefits; but I'm not done with flying yet - hopefully I should say. Pretty soon it will be out of my hands and in the hands of some HR people. Scary thought So I say I'm not done - but we'll see what the industry says.

USMCFLYR

"What do you say de727 I think that would be a nice bit of info to share for all the ups/fedex wannabes."

Unlike Skyhigh, I'm not interested in creating facts for you to chew on at APC. Since I don't know, I'm happy to either remain silent, or just say I don't know....

"I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for."

I would say that, too. Whatever makes you happy. To each his own. Even if you never get passed "middle class", if you are happy with a flying career, then it think it's out of line to bash that career choice. Amen?

Well then if you don't know then I am sure that you will not mind if we use the rumored 40,000. As such then the odds of getting hired at UPS after reaching a point where you can submit an application is 400 to one.

Unless of course you are one of those "serious candidates" that you mentioned. I am still wondering what that means. I am sure that everyone who puts in an application is very serious about it.

SkyHigh

From a financial perspective any career choice can not be called a "job" unless it is able to produce enough income to make the investment worthwhile. Anything else is a hobby or pastime.

SkyHigh

Inferior.


Inferior.




Hmmmm ...




I'm going to be nice and stop at, I disagree.





I find this line of discussion to be both condescending and misleading. The implication is that since I can't possibly be making a "real living," I am therefore being irresponsible by not providing a decent life for my family. I've tried using kind phrases to dispute this repeated assertion, but you just don't seem to get the message.

It's BULL CRAP!



You quit. I didn't.


THAT's the difference.


There's no shame in that. This isn't for everybody. Just admit it wasn't for you, and get on with your life. Stop trying to convince everyone that you were superior for choosing a superior career path, and stop trying to "save" everyone from succeeding in a career where you failed.






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I wouldn't compare the two. A good case can be made that the sacrifices required by a military career serve a higher calling. Even the most self-important airline pilots probably wouldn't dare make a similar claim for their profession. At least, I would hope not.

Agree with the higher calling feeling - but that need for flying has been called an addiction for me A lot of careers have sacrifice. I used the military because that is my experience. Doctors or lawyers who work 80 hours a week make sacrifice and no - - not all of them are rich beyond belief. Traveling salesmen are away from home quite often. Night shift workers sleep all day while their spouse and families are at work and then eat a quick dinner with them and then go to work all night while their families go on without them. If you love the job enough - you'll put up with the so-called sacrifices. It is not for someone else to say what makes a career worthy for a group or say those who have chosen said career aren't taking care of their loved ones.

USMCFLYR