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09-16-2008, 05:37 PM
#21
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First and foremost-thank you for your service to our country.
But like you say in a later post, you don't have a job in this industry-get yourself one and then you'll gain a clearer understanding.
USMCFLYR
09-16-2008, 06:05 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by TonyC
I don't think anybody would have a problem with someone leaving the aviation career and starting over in another career as did you. As much as we hear complaints about having to start at the bottom, that's exactly what you did, and you should be commended for the hard work and determination.
However, ...
is inconsistent with ...
You didn't hold a place in line, did you?
You story is heartwarming and encouraging -- it's always great when a guy finds something that makes him happy.
But here is where you steer wrong:
You see, the thing is, what I'm doing right now does support a family, and a large one at that, quite nicely. That's reality.
But, you protest, what about the guy in the right seat of the RJ that can't look forward to upgrade for a long time? Sure -- and what about the med student pushing dead bodies around the morgue and sleeping in the hospital? Could he support a family like that? Should he have quit then?
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent fokes -- brag about your good fortune all day long. But don't tell me that just because you chose a different path, that the path we've chosen won't work. I can show you too many examples that it will.
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However, ...
is inconsistent with ...
You didn't hold a place in line, did you?
You story is heartwarming and encouraging -- it's always great when a guy finds something that makes him happy.
But here is where you steer wrong:
You see, the thing is, what I'm doing right now does support a family, and a large one at that, quite nicely. That's reality.
But, you protest, what about the guy in the right seat of the RJ that can't look forward to upgrade for a long time? Sure -- and what about the med student pushing dead bodies around the morgue and sleeping in the hospital? Could he support a family like that? Should he have quit then?
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent fokes -- brag about your good fortune all day long. But don't tell me that just because you chose a different path, that the path we've chosen won't work. I can show you too many examples that it will.
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Yea, Thanks for pointing that out. I might should have said that I could go back to another "regional" airline job if I ever wanted to, altho I'd never do it. I think during the last hiring spree, pilots were being hired with 5-600 ttl, and around 50 mulit-so my 11,000 would prob get me in the door.
Not bragging about my "good fortune" if you can call it that-I call it dam hard work that paid off as promised. I could say that my aviation career was dam hard work that didn't pay off. Who's to say that if 9-11 hadn't happened how it might have turned out.
Again-this is MY story and MY experiences. Each and every one of us is a unique individual.
09-16-2008, 06:11 PM
#23
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Hey
Originally Posted by de727ups
"Medical Sales, Pharm Sales"
There is a guy at JC who owned his own plane and was in pharmaceutical sales. He left to fly for Xjet for about a year, couldn't take the pay cut, and got back into it. I think it's more of a sales thing than having to need a lot of medical training. More about personality. If someone with an aviation degree is looking to leave the career and get into the health biz, I'd look more into the sales end as I don't think you need a lot of heavy medical schooling.
"DE727UPS like to flag wave in favor of an aviation career"
Sky, show me a thread I've started promoting the career (zero). Let's compare that to you starting threads bashing the career (only gawd knows). I only come here to refute the inaccuracies and misstatements I see in your posts. Unfortunatley, that sometimes causes me to post a lot....
There is a guy at JC who owned his own plane and was in pharmaceutical sales. He left to fly for Xjet for about a year, couldn't take the pay cut, and got back into it. I think it's more of a sales thing than having to need a lot of medical training. More about personality. If someone with an aviation degree is looking to leave the career and get into the health biz, I'd look more into the sales end as I don't think you need a lot of heavy medical schooling.
"DE727UPS like to flag wave in favor of an aviation career"
Sky, show me a thread I've started promoting the career (zero). Let's compare that to you starting threads bashing the career (only gawd knows). I only come here to refute the inaccuracies and misstatements I see in your posts. Unfortunatley, that sometimes causes me to post a lot....
How about providing us with the number of applications at UPS? Why don't you put that on your website?
SkyHigh
09-16-2008, 06:16 PM
#24
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Comparible
Originally Posted by TonyC
If you were just waving your flag in favor of being a carpenter, there would be no issue. You don't stop there. You insist that aviation is an inferior life choice, and not worth the investment.
Don and I are here to dispute that assertion.
You said compatible, I think you meant comparable. In a way, you're correct. Aviation isn't comparable to other professions -- it's unique, and to those of us who desire it, it's far superior. In fact, the word incomparable fits perfectly -- eminent beyond comparison.
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Don and I are here to dispute that assertion.
You said compatible, I think you meant comparable. In a way, you're correct. Aviation isn't comparable to other professions -- it's unique, and to those of us who desire it, it's far superior. In fact, the word incomparable fits perfectly -- eminent beyond comparison.
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To you it might be worth the effort however when compared on an even field aviation is inferior.
Not everyone here is on a life quest. Many are trying to make a real living. It is my position that anyone who puts up the money for a four year degree then another 60 to 80K in flight training must expect to get hired by SWA within a few years in order to justify the expense.
The truth is that aviation is a loosing proposition for most. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you. I however need to make a living and to be able to provide a decent life for my family. Others here need to do the same.
Skyhigh
09-16-2008, 06:52 PM
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I however need to make a living and to be able to provide a decent life for my family. Others here need to do the same.
See...you're doing it again. At least rephrase your comments or something. This is degrading to those that are in the business. Your ascertation here is that anyone working within the industry does NOT need to make a living and is NOT providing a decent life ofr their families.
I don't think you can see yourself from the outside and that is why you keep coming across so negative.
USMCFLYR
09-16-2008, 06:58 PM
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"You may not start many threads but you have an entire website devoted to promoting your views. "see how I became an airline pilot"."
It's not MY website, as you well understand. And it's strictly providing information about my story. Feel free to point out any "flag waiving", as you like to put it. It's just information about how a successful aviation career came to pass.
I have an idea, Sky. Since your stated goal is to educate the newb masses, you should go over to JC and post YOUR story. You could have your own little link to tell how your entered the career, how your career went, and why you think the career isn't worthy. Think about the masses you could influence with your own little link at the home page of JC. They let anyone who wants to, tell their story. I'll even vouch for you.
It's not MY website, as you well understand. And it's strictly providing information about my story. Feel free to point out any "flag waiving", as you like to put it. It's just information about how a successful aviation career came to pass.
I have an idea, Sky. Since your stated goal is to educate the newb masses, you should go over to JC and post YOUR story. You could have your own little link to tell how your entered the career, how your career went, and why you think the career isn't worthy. Think about the masses you could influence with your own little link at the home page of JC. They let anyone who wants to, tell their story. I'll even vouch for you.
09-16-2008, 07:04 PM
#27
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Yea
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Sky -
See...you're doing it again. At least rephrase your comments or something. This is degreading to those that are in the business. Your ascertation here is that anyone working within the industry does NOT need to make a living and is NOT providing a decent life ofr their families.
I don't think you can see yourself from the outside and that is why you keep coming across so negative.
USMCFLYR
See...you're doing it again. At least rephrase your comments or something. This is degreading to those that are in the business. Your ascertation here is that anyone working within the industry does NOT need to make a living and is NOT providing a decent life ofr their families.
I don't think you can see yourself from the outside and that is why you keep coming across so negative.
USMCFLYR
Perhaps I do come off as too strong however this is a forum and as such I feel that it is important to make my points firmly or else risk getting lost in the masses. In addition I have to assume that the reader is in an average position and not from wealth, already in a good flying job or is being supported by an outside income. Each of us is different. However I feel that to the average guy my points have merit.
SkyHigh
09-16-2008, 07:05 PM
#28
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Hey ??
Originally Posted by de727ups
"You may not start many threads but you have an entire website devoted to promoting your views. "see how I became an airline pilot"."
It's not MY website, as you well understand. And it's strictly providing information about my story. Feel free to point out any "flag waiving", as you like to put it. It's just information about how a successful aviation career came to pass.
I have an idea, Sky. Since your stated goal is to educate the newb masses, you should go over to JC and post YOUR story. You could have your own little link to tell how your entered the career, how your career went, and why you think the career isn't worthy. Think about the masses you could influence with your own little link at the home page of JC. They let anyone who wants to, tell their story. I'll even vouch for you.
It's not MY website, as you well understand. And it's strictly providing information about my story. Feel free to point out any "flag waiving", as you like to put it. It's just information about how a successful aviation career came to pass.
I have an idea, Sky. Since your stated goal is to educate the newb masses, you should go over to JC and post YOUR story. You could have your own little link to tell how your entered the career, how your career went, and why you think the career isn't worthy. Think about the masses you could influence with your own little link at the home page of JC. They let anyone who wants to, tell their story. I'll even vouch for you.
You might have a good idea there. I will look at JC and give it a think over.
SkyHigh
09-16-2008, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Sky -
See...you're doing it again. At least rephrase your comments or something. This is degrading to those that are in the business. Your ascertation here is that anyone working within the industry does NOT need to make a living and is NOT providing a decent life ofr their families.
I don't think you can see yourself from the outside and that is why you keep coming across so negative.
USMCFLYR
See...you're doing it again. At least rephrase your comments or something. This is degrading to those that are in the business. Your ascertation here is that anyone working within the industry does NOT need to make a living and is NOT providing a decent life ofr their families.
I don't think you can see yourself from the outside and that is why you keep coming across so negative.
USMCFLYR
At least not for a while.
09-16-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
I'm still in the biz and take no offense from sky's posts, He's not my hero or anything but his posts contain a strong dose of reality/merit to them. Pilots in general are optimists if I had a dollar for every "as soon as I get my 1,000 PIC" I would be a wealthy individual. Well guess what for most folks when they get the magical 1,000 nothing happens. At least not for a while.
At least not for a while.USMCFLYR
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