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Old 09-18-2008 | 06:47 AM
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I would like to add that whenever I do encounter aviation college students they all seem to be depressed. Past generations of pilots were always arrogant punks. Now they all walk around with their heads pointed to the ground and mumble when they talk.

The program still seems to draw students. I guess that there are still plenty of rich kids out there who want to avoid having to do real school work.

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Thanks Sky - glad to know that I didn't do REAL school work and have a worthless major. Guess I didn't REALLY study or REALLY take tests either. Luckily the USMC was able to look past my fake degree and I like to think that they got their nickel's worth out of me. Oh - Pell Grants and multiple jobs (usually more than one at a time) - so none the "rich kid" thing here either. I'd like to go one day without hearing from you about how worthless I was in the past or will be in the future.

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Old 09-18-2008 | 06:53 AM
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Thanks Sky - glad to know that I didn't do REAL school work and have a worthless major. Guess I didn't REALLY study or REALLY take tests either. Luckily the USMC was able to look past my fake degree and I like to think that they got their nickel's worth out of me. Oh - Pell Grants and multiple jobs (usually more than one at a time) - so none the "rich kid" thing here either. I'd like to go one day without hearing from you about how worthless I was in the past or will be in the future.

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It is worthless major. I know because I have one. Airlines know it too and that's why they pay their pilots accordingly. As far as USMC goes, I thought that all they want is a high school diploma?
Old 09-18-2008 | 07:02 AM
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HAHA...very random. I think Sky decided he had a boring day ahead of him and decided to stir the pot again here at APC. Good fun and entertainment.

Sky, why don't you just start a new thread at the regional forum with this?
Old 09-18-2008 | 07:02 AM
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Wow, this thread went ugly early and stayed there! Just sayin' ...
Old 09-18-2008 | 07:03 AM
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It has been my position that getting an aviation degree was paramount to getting a degree in mountain sports. Both are mostly useless and will not help in career success.

First of all you do not need an aviation degree to reach your career goal. In my experience it is a detriment. What is more useful to the company a pilot with an accounting degree or a one trick pony who only has an aviation education?

It seems to me that these days rich kids who are trying to get out of having to learn a worthwhile job skill or actual discipline will blow the trust fund on a play degree. Perhaps the university should develop an X Games degree or perhaps a masters in XBox 360? I am sure it would sell.

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Old 09-18-2008 | 07:05 AM
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Rascal -

Sorry - it hasn't turned out that way for me. So far it hasn't mattered because the jobs that I have been interested in inside aviation - and the jobs that I have been offered outside of aviation - only cared that I had a 4 year college degree. Also - after other work experience they seemed more interested in what I have been doing rather than what my old degree was in. If I had a degree in something else I'm sure htat I wouldn't remember any of it - certainly not to the level to expect to get a job in the area. Too tell you the truth, I felt my Wildlife Ecology major - before I switched to Aviation seemed much harder to use in the outside world. I'm happy with my switch although I understand that I put all my eggs into one basket; but I have life experience now. Rascal - since you have an Aviation major - did you take real tests or did you study for school. Whether or not anyone on the outside cares - you don't mind someone saying that you just coasted through school with no effort? As for the USMC - my desired program was competitive and a high school diploma would not have sufficed.

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Old 09-18-2008 | 07:07 AM
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"Both are mostly useless and will not help in career success."

Checks the square...that's why I'm where I am....
Old 09-18-2008 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

In my experience ...

I think we've already determined your experience is typical of a quitter.



With your attitude, I'm really surprised you can swing a hammer without poking out an eye or breaking a toe.




It's really getting old. You're not getting the grapes. Go find some grubs.







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Old 09-18-2008 | 08:26 AM
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I think we've already determined your experience is typical of a quitter.

With your attitude, I'm really surprised you can swing a hammer without poking out an eye or breaking a toe.

It's really getting old. You're not getting the grapes. Go find some grubs.

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I did not quit. I was laid off and had a family to feed. I spent at least a year after my employer shut down trying to find another flying job. As a 36 year old with a wife two kids and one on the way I could not afford to take anything that came along. I needed a position that came close to the one I lost in pay, working conditions and the promise of a reasonable future.

None came along and eventually I found myself making more money and having a better life in Real Estate. However If Alaska Airlines were to offer me a job tomorrow I would jump at it. I did get offered a Corporate King Air job but it only paid 30K and I had to work in the potato shed when I wasn't flying.

I had a few other offers but how was I supposed to drag my family back into poverty and uncertainty after I had found a peaceful refuge? Right now ATA and Aloha guys are in the same situation as I was. How are they supposed to go from making a survivable wage to regional new hire with a family to support?

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
To those of you who are already gainfully employed as senior major airline pilots then I do not think that anyone here is suggesting that you leave to start over as a college freshmen in the accounting department.

Keep your job and be happy about it. My posts are aimed at the low seniority guys, regional pilots or those who are just staring out. They have a much more difficult road ahead of them.

If you already have a good job then that is great. However it will be much more difficult for generations to follow to be able to produce a similar result. They are the ones who have some difficult choices to make.

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My posts are aimed at the low seniority guys, regional pilots or those who are just staring out. They have a much more difficult road ahead of them.
Says who? Most people, including myself who are fairly senior at a large, stable carrier were once low time and low seniority. And who says the current road many are traveling isn't less difficult than roads traveled by many in years past?
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