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#32
Where would that information come from? I mean I have no way of finding out how many applications are on file for trying to get into OCS. Why would Joe pilot have access to that HR information? Where does the 40,000 number so often thrown around come from?
USMCFLYR
USMCFLYR
#33
That is one way to read the post. I read it as a put down on those in the industry and an afront. There are other ways of getting his points across without basically saying that anyone in the business isn't taking care of their family. I'm glad you take take no offense to it - I do.
USMCFLYR
USMCFLYR
#34
OK fair enough. All I get out of it is that for the vast majority of line pilots sacrifices to the family life must be made to continue the pursuit. ie holiday's, birthday's etc. to some it's no big deal. To the child it likely is. I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for.
Second part - I'm in that situation right now. I could take a sim job with good pay and benefits; but I'm not done with flying yet - hopefully I should say. Pretty soon it will be out of my hands and in the hands of some HR people. Scary thought So I say I'm not done - but we'll see what the industry says.
USMCFLYR
#35
"What do you say de727 I think that would be a nice bit of info to share for all the ups/fedex wannabes."
Unlike Skyhigh, I'm not interested in creating facts for you to chew on at APC. Since I don't know, I'm happy to either remain silent, or just say I don't know....
"I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for."
I would say that, too. Whatever makes you happy. To each his own. Even if you never get passed "middle class", if you are happy with a flying career, then it think it's out of line to bash that career choice. Amen?
Unlike Skyhigh, I'm not interested in creating facts for you to chew on at APC. Since I don't know, I'm happy to either remain silent, or just say I don't know....
"I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for."
I would say that, too. Whatever makes you happy. To each his own. Even if you never get passed "middle class", if you are happy with a flying career, then it think it's out of line to bash that career choice. Amen?
#36
Well then
"What do you say de727 I think that would be a nice bit of info to share for all the ups/fedex wannabes."
Unlike Skyhigh, I'm not interested in creating facts for you to chew on at APC. Since I don't know, I'm happy to either remain silent, or just say I don't know....
"I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for."
I would say that, too. Whatever makes you happy. To each his own. Even if you never get passed "middle class", if you are happy with a flying career, then it think it's out of line to bash that career choice. Amen?
Unlike Skyhigh, I'm not interested in creating facts for you to chew on at APC. Since I don't know, I'm happy to either remain silent, or just say I don't know....
"I will say this however a job at the legacies is not the only way to stay in the biz. ie sim instructors, air amb etc. Just depends on what 1 is looking for."
I would say that, too. Whatever makes you happy. To each his own. Even if you never get passed "middle class", if you are happy with a flying career, then it think it's out of line to bash that career choice. Amen?
Unless of course you are one of those "serious candidates" that you mentioned. I am still wondering what that means. I am sure that everyone who puts in an application is very serious about it.
SkyHigh
#37
Bash the Career Choice
From a financial perspective any career choice can not be called a "job" unless it is able to produce enough income to make the investment worthwhile. Anything else is a hobby or pastime.
SkyHigh
SkyHigh
#38
Inferior.
Inferior.
Hmmmm ...
I'm going to be nice and stop at, I disagree.
Not everyone here is on a life quest. Many are trying to make a real living.
The truth is that aviation is a loosing proposition for most. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you. I however need to make a living and to be able to provide a decent life for my family. Others here need to do the same.
I find this line of discussion to be both condescending and misleading. The implication is that since I can't possibly be making a "real living," I am therefore being irresponsible by not providing a decent life for my family. I've tried using kind phrases to dispute this repeated assertion, but you just don't seem to get the message.
It's BULL CRAP!
You quit. I didn't.
THAT's the difference.
There's no shame in that. This isn't for everybody. Just admit it wasn't for you, and get on with your life. Stop trying to convince everyone that you were superior for choosing a superior career path, and stop trying to "save" everyone from succeeding in a career where you failed.
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Inferior.
Hmmmm ...
I'm going to be nice and stop at, I disagree.
Not everyone here is on a life quest. Many are trying to make a real living.
The truth is that aviation is a loosing proposition for most. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you. I however need to make a living and to be able to provide a decent life for my family. Others here need to do the same.
It's BULL CRAP!
You quit. I didn't.
THAT's the difference.
There's no shame in that. This isn't for everybody. Just admit it wasn't for you, and get on with your life. Stop trying to convince everyone that you were superior for choosing a superior career path, and stop trying to "save" everyone from succeeding in a career where you failed.
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#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 408
I've been living the military life for some time so I can safely say that I'm up to date on the whole family sacrifice thing and the effects on marriage and children. I see it regularly and have lived it to t he fullest myself - and yet plenty of people still feel that it is good enough to pursue a career in. Not everybody - and that is OK - but for the ones that it works for or who believe the sacrifice is worth it for some reason - it would not be proper for someone to come along and say that they have failed themselves or their family or have hurt their children in some way or another. Its just mean spirited. If one can't see that then there is nothing I can do about it; but I don't have to be like that.
I wouldn't compare the two. A good case can be made that the sacrifices required by a military career serve a higher calling. Even the most self-important airline pilots probably wouldn't dare make a similar claim for their profession. At least, I would hope not.
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