FAA chief urges pilots to read Flight 3407... - Page 4

#31

Jack Bauer , 08-06-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

The only problem is, Babbitt didn't say ANYTHING about 'random spot checks of CVR's' in his speech to ALPA (did he say this @ some other point?).

Read the transcript of Babbitt's speech yourself here.

My opinion? Mr. Zremski just made that CVR stuff up, and you guys all bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

This is what happens when you mix the media with a forum - BS runs rampant.

Go to the Q and A at the end of the speech:

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#32

Husker402 , 08-06-2009 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Semaphore Sam

More to the point, rather than monitoring pilot cockpit conversation, monitor senior airline CEO and FAA Bosses conversations. Their "stewardship" has led to this situation, where impoverished crewmembers struggle for a few hours sleep prior to extended duty after debilitating commutes, whilst the CEOs live the high life, and self-important FAA Czars pontificate with Fat-Cat Congressmen and Senators. This has deteriorated for 30+ years, and all the "connected" folk know it's really an extended game, played out for the Rubes. Sadly, it seems, now senior ALPA members have given in to the deteriorating status quo, and disaster after disaster will follow, and nobody cares, as long as connected peoples' bottom lines are protected.

I couldn't agree more!!!

#33

poor pilot , 08-06-2009 08:28 PM

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Smile for the Camera, comming to a flightdeck near you.

#34

80ktsClamp , 08-06-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by poor pilot

Smile for the Camera, comming to a flightdeck near you.

And that'll be the last day I wear pants in the cockpit. Spot check that!

#35

rickair7777 , 08-07-2009 08:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

Isn't that a direct violation of the FARS?

I even seem to remember an ATP written question specifically asking if cockpit voice recorders could be used in certificate or legal action.

VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION:

The FARs may prohibit the use of CVR/ASAP data in FAA enforcement action.

This does NOT apply to civil or criminal law...the FARs CANNOT mandate how the outside legal system works. Only congress can do that, and then only within constitutional bounds.

I believe that even if congress legally limited the use of CVR/ASAP data, some ambulance chaser would appeal the law all the way to the supreme court...and probably win. NOTHING is more important in this country than the inalienable right of some trailer park denizen to strike it rich with a big fat plaintiff lawsuit.

#36

ImEbee , 08-07-2009 08:16 PM

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Or find an easy way to place the blame...

#37

CANAM , 08-08-2009 02:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

Isn't that a direct violation of the FARS?

It's actually a direct violation of the 5th Amendment. However, I doubt the ACLU would take a break from defending terrorists and child molesters to protect our rights.

#38

SmoothOnTop , 08-08-2009 05:09 PM

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if you don't want to get caught doing anything wrong or substandard...

...don't do it!!!

#39

Cruise , 08-08-2009 06:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop

if you don't want to get caught doing anything wrong or substandard...

...don't do it!!!

While we all try to perform 100%, 100% of the time.......it's just not realistic. We're human, and humans make mistakes from time to time.

Guess you must be super-pilot extraordinaire if you think you're any different than any one else.....and if that's the case, you're not welcome on my flight deck.

#40

MTOP , 08-09-2009 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

Isn't that a direct violation of the FARS?

I even seem to remember an ATP written question specifically asking if cockpit voice recorders could be used in certificate or legal action.

It is contrary to the FARs, and you are not likely to see any change.

I urge people to realize that most of this talk of rules changes and policy changes, in the aftermath of a crash, is just that. It's talk. The inertia against rule changes, and particularly any rule change that has an economic impact on the companies, such as large changes to flight and duty time regulations, is just not going to happen.