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Old 08-05-2009 | 07:13 PM
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Maybe at USAir but at my airline our phones must be turned off to complete the before start checklist. He was on an active taxiway (Bravo) and missed the clearance to follow northwest.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 07:17 PM
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Sully violated it...
/start sarcasm, for the subtlety-ignorant folks

Blasphemy! How dare you, er, sully the name of Sully by saying that he violated sterile cockpit!

Don't you know that Sully's tears cure cancer?

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...too bad he's never cried.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
/start sarcasm, for the subtlety-ignorant folks

Blasphemy! How dare you, er, sully the name of Sully by saying that he violated sterile cockpit!

Don't you know that Sully's tears cure cancer?

/end sarcasm

...too bad he's never cried.
Sorry but sully will NEVER replace Chuck Norris. For using his joke with another name you earn one roundhouse kick to the face.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mjarosz
"If you haven't read the transcript, I'd encourage you to do so," FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt said at the Air Line Pilots Association's annual Air Safety Summitt.

The transcript shows Capt. Marvin Renslow and First Officer Rebecca L. Shaw violating federal "sterile cockpit" rules by discussing things that were not flight-related as the plane began its descent into Buffalo.
I guess it's always easier to go after the low hanging fruit instead of addressing the certification and training issues that are at the heart of the accident.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 08:24 PM
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I didn't really see anything wrong with the transcript.

The real voice recorder to read is Pinnacle 3701. Good gosh....
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Old 08-05-2009 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The real voice recorder to read is Pinnacle 3701. Good gosh....
Ain't that the truth.... Seriously.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mjarosz
FAA chief urges pilots to read Flight 3407 transcript : Home: The Buffalo News

FAA chief urges pilots to read Flight 3407 transcript

By Jerry Zremski
News Washington Bureau Chief


WASHINGTON — The new head of the Federal Aviation Administration today asked the nation's airline pilots to read the transcript of the cockpit conversations from Continental Connection Flight 3407, which crashed in Clarence in February, claiming 50 lives.
"If you haven't read the transcript, I'd encourage you to do so," FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt said at the Air Line Pilots Association's annual Air Safety Summitt. . . .

Babbitt also indicated for the first time that he would be willing to consider random spot checks of cockpit voice recorders in planes that do not crash, just to monitor whether sterile cockpit violations are occurring.


Really gotta love that last paragraph. Sets a dangerous precedent.
-MJ
The only problem is, Babbitt didn't say ANYTHING about 'random spot checks of CVR's' in his speech to ALPA (did he say this @ some other point?).

Read the transcript of Babbitt's speech yourself here.

My opinion? Mr. Zremski just made that CVR stuff up, and you guys all bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

This is what happens when you mix the media with a forum - BS runs rampant.
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Old 08-05-2009 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The real voice recorder to read is Pinnacle 3701. Good gosh....
I guess the lesson with 3701 is things got bad above 10,000 feet so the FAA didn't see fit to change any rules?

BTW, here was one of the NTSB recommendations from the 3701 crash:

Convene a multidisciplinary panel of operational, training, and human factors specialists to study and submit a report on methods to improve flight crew familiarity with and response to stickpusher systems and, if warranted, establish training requirements for stickpusher-equipped airplanes based on the findings of this panel. (A-07-4)
Anyone think we might hear it again in the findings of 3407?
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Old 08-05-2009 | 10:49 PM
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Can someone post a link to the 3701 cvr report. That is one I havnt read and would like to, that accident happened before I got into Aviation, and its one I'd like to study for myself...
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Old 08-05-2009 | 11:03 PM
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Here you go.....

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2005/Pinn...VR_Factual.pdf
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