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Originally Posted by taildragger1946
Thanks for the explanation. Im coming into this game with a positive attitude I know that things are never perfect but I think in the long run it will be ok. I am one of those people that is very passionate about flying and I definitely dont do it for the money right now or because of the life style. I do this because I love flying and I know that in the end if I pay my dues as I have been doing it will all pay off. I think that Air Wisconsin is one of the better options considering other companies that are hiring at the moment. I am looking forward to learning a lot and meeting good people that enjoy flying as much as I do.
Listen to Champpilot
AirWisconsin had a great reputation ten years ago. I took a job there with the intent to retire with them. Then the race to be the cheapest began. Concessions with promises, loss of the 146, loss of United flying. Then they decided to compete to win which meant being more cost effective. Moved all the bases, ect... Over the years they have lost much of the QOL that made them attractive from a pilot perspective. They do have one of the better contracts, even if concessionary, in the business but you have to be willing to fight to have it complied with and not abused. Scheduling largely left me alone because I would make them wait on the phone while I got my contract to look up the legality of things, then I would quote page and paragraph number to them if they were in violation, If not in violation it would still irritate them that I had made them wait on me.
Go there to build time if needed but don't expect Sunshine, Rainbows, and Puppy Dogs. You will be junior manned to min days, have to watch maintenance issues (MEL's), have to watch your paycheck like a hawk, accept most lines are not commutable, and the quality of the hotels has really gone down the you know what.
In fact it was the quality of the hotels that broke me. After interviewing with a major I was conflicted about leaving after seven years. In 2008 there was a crack in hiring but fuel prices were rising and age 65 was an unknown so I figured I had a 50 percent chance of furlough from the major in the near future. To get to the point, on my last PC I went to the new hotel. It was a dump behind a strip mall, no walking to food. Room was on the first floor with a window that wouldn't lock, contract violation. No other rooms available. While working on a new hotel the owner majically found a room on the second floor. This room was a dump as well, I was wondering how things had gone so wrong with the industry that this is how professional pilots were now treated.
Ironically that evening I recieved a phone call from the major I interviewed with offering me the job. I took it with no hesitation as I found the decline in my current position had no long term future for me or my family.
I have been furlouged now since late 2008 and have no regrets about leaving except for the great pilots I left behind. Whenever I question my decision to leave I go to the AirWilly board and look at what is going on, it quickly reaffirms my decision. I would rather be in my current furlouged position than still working in the conditions of the regional industry.
Don't fly 121 because you love flying or are trying to pay your dues. You should fly 121 for a career that pays you like a professional for your skills and abilities. Until this is the expectation from pilots they will continue to get paid crappy wages at the regionals and treated like sheet. Pay your dues while building experience prior to flying 121 then expect a professional career when you are flying passengers. Until we all change our mindset the insanity will continue.
Keep in mind that you may spend a very long time at a regional, Sunshine, Rainbows, and Puppy Dogs only last so long.
Good luck with your career.
p.s. That light in the tunnel that Champpilot mentions really is a train so stay out of the way. I was run over several times by the darn thing.
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Originally Posted by champpilot59
wow you sound just like me 5 years ago. let me tell you about how that works out for you...no matter how good your attitude is or especially how much you love flying, you will have your ass handed to you in so many different ways over and over. the small glimmers of hope you have along the way of the light at the end of the tunnel are so far overriden by the daily smacks across the chin you receive from mgt, gate agents, and family after you have to apologize for missing someone's event bc "that is just what happens over integration." if you want to do this for a living, thats great but you better have a lot more to support you that how much you like moving airplanes around...
ps. you wont move them that much bc they will be broke at this company. if you really are flying t/w stuff around, stick to that. that was the most fun i have ever had with airplanes.