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RCD73 , 02-06-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 727574drvr

Pilot7576, Thank you and I understand how you guys feel. Maybe in your next contract something can be done about this; of course they will want the pound of flesh in return. Just as a little different perspective, consider this. We have 80,000 Airline Transport Pilots in this country. I mean the ATP's who do this for a living. There are about 7,500 of the 80k that have been on the street for quite sometime. We are talking about +3 years. The 7,500 I am speaking about have some (what I consider) pretty strong credentials; +10,000 TT, +8,000 Narrow/Wide Body, +5,000 N/W Body PIC (add about 4k each to that for me). 7,500 sounds like a bunch of numbers but WE are not numbers. WE still require O2, food, water, heat, pressure (14.7psi preferred) to live. WE are your collegues, co-workers, some of us life long friends that people don't call anymore due to embarrassment or shame, because they might have to face the reality that this could have easily happened to them. WE are out of unemployment (or imminent), house in foreclosure (sold mine), lights/phone off every other month. WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings. This is a sad fact right now. Pilot7576, if you would, do me one favor, do this. The next time you hear someone say "I hate this F%$#ing Place!!!", take a deep breath, pause, and ask this person when they are calm; would they like to trade places with my friends or me? Pilot7576, Should our paths ever cross, I'll buy you a cup of coffee or adult beverage which ever the situation calls for. Our opinions are pretty much the same, just different life situations, that neither had any control of to begin with. Have a great flight, see ya around the campfire, L.

Fedex is hiring.

At most fortune 500 companies an ability to communicate effectively is a basic requirement for a management position.

There is always an exception to every rule ..... Are you willing to break into a hotel room to reassign a pilot ?

#52

CactusCrew , 02-06-2011 04:25 PM

Tri-tanic operator

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Originally Posted by Pilot7576

727574drvr...

Although not meeting the exact definition, I would consider anyone hired as such into management to be a scab.

Frats,

Pilot7576

While a management job at UPS isn't a scab at all. Anyone that applies as a UPS manager MUST understand that if the IPA ever goes on strike, you WILL be required to scab and cross our picket line ... or lose your FQS job.

So you will then be a scab, or unemployed ... again. Or both.

#53

Zoso , 02-06-2011 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 727574drvr

Sorry you're furloughed, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about my job. That's the most asinine logic I've ever heard. Sorry.

#54

727574drvr , 02-06-2011 05:25 PM

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I am sorry my logic seems asinine. I hope you never have to experience the real world. You know, furlough, strike, bankruptcy, merger where you lose your seat, then your base, then your job. Or my personal favorite, instead of a merger, the competition buys your company and shuts it down. Southwest has done that in the past along with others. I don't think UPS has done that, but its a very volatile financial world out there.

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dogismycopilot , 02-06-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 727574drvr

I am sorry my logic seems asinine. I hope you never have to experience the real world. You know, furlough, strike, bankruptcy, merger where you lose your seat, then your base, then your job. Or my personal favorite, instead of a merger, the competition buys your company and shuts it down. Southwest has done that in the past along with others. I don't think UPS has done that, but its a very volatile financial world out there.

Didn't UPS "acquire" Emory? How many of those guys made it on with UPS?

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727574drvr , 02-06-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dogismycopilot

Didn't UPS "acquire" Emory? How many of those guys made it on with UPS?

Imagine that... Hey what about all the guys when UPS didn't have Airplanes? Oh yea, they really weren't people either. Dude, you must be as old as I am, or at least landed on a lot of the same concrete. Frats, L

#57

CactusCrew , 02-06-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 727574drvr

Done most of that ... furloughs, ch 11 bankruptcy, mergers... and I still would not want a management job at Brown. And they ask me every January .... hmmm, as long as you can rationalize it with yourself, go for it. Although you may have too much experience.

UPS did the same things to Challenge that you mention ... I think you better do more research about life at Brown.

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dogismycopilot , 02-06-2011 06:10 PM

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Probably not as old as you, but the guys sitting to my left that used to work at Emory sure complain a lot about getting left in the cold.

From their description of circumstances, Emory was bought by UPS and shut down. They were not offered positions at Brown. If I am off base on this, please let me know. The captians I fly with are never prone to exaggeration

I guess my point was, that while many years removed from what you are going through now, Emory pilots faced all the same struggles and uncertainties that go along with unemployment. In speaking with the 3 former Emory guys I know, they thought they might have had a shot at a job at UPS following what happened between the two companies (again, my history is a little fuzzy, so correct me if I am wrong). For whatever reason, they did not get that opportunity, and ended up on the street.

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727574drvr , 02-06-2011 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CactusCrew

Yea I had even forgotten about Challenge Air Cargo. They were a good bunch guys and gals. Swapped J/S's with them several times. I totally understand what you are saying. If it was just Line Checks, sim rides and that type of thing it would be palatable. But the aspect of being used to keep others at or below guarantee would put a burr in the saddle. I am quite bored with the other stuff though, the "to the victors go the spoils" attitudes. Can't have it both ways.

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JustUnderPar , 02-06-2011 06:41 PM

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Any UPS "management" working here prior to 1997 is a SCAB. Labeled that way for LIFE. If there happens to be another strike and you are a "manager" then you will be required to SCAB or lose your job. Is this a job for the rest of your life? If it is, good luck. Seriously.