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1. I know a better deal will be offered w/out Sec 6. I can point to a non-strike precedent.
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2. I suspect a better deal is coming soon, based on a hunch the company is bluffing.
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17.65%
3. I hope there is a better deal coming, and I have no idea of how it's going to happen.
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5.88%
4. I am prepared to sit tight for Section 6; I know this agreement is non-prejudicial.
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64.71%
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finis72 , 06-11-2012 03:21 PM
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You need to quit listening to flight attendants.
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Okay, i thought of the most likely possibility. now what?

or if it is that hell fire and brimstone will fall down upon us, why even let us vote if the only true option is yes? and does retribution for a no vote mean constructive engagement is over and cab officially be deemed a failure?

or is the hell fire and brimstone just coming from alpa?... and gary kelly?
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Okay, i thought of the most likely possibility. now what?

or if it is that hell fire and brimstone will fall down upon us, why even let us vote if the only true option is yes? and does retribution for a no vote mean constructive engagement is over and cab officially be deemed a failure?

or is the hell fire and brimstone just coming from alpa?... and gary kelly?

Can we just move the L&G back to general population and resume the normal DAL discussions w underboob?

We can visit the TA threads when we want to see what Lumberg's latest post is.
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I have considered the possibilites and I'm willing to accept the outcome, whatever it be. I/ we gave up a huge amount and I'm not going to accept this "carrot" mgt is dangling in front of me. I'm I looking for full (or close to it) restitution, no. I'm a realist. But I also truly believe we can do better, however long that takes.

I also believe it wont take long. I dont believe the fear mongers when they say its gonna be another 3 years, and then go the NMB. Total BS.

But if it does..... I'm willing to go the distance. I will be able to look in the mirror and see some one who stood up to what he believes in.
Will you use this same argument when you try to sell the house you bought in 2005? You want full restitution, even though nobody will pay it, because the other homes around you have also fallen in value. (AA/UA/US). Will you DEMAND full price for your home? Good luck!
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Can we just move the L&G back to general population and resume the normal DAL discussions w underboob?

We can visit the TA threads when we want to see what Lumberg's latest post is.
I'm planning 4 per day until it passes.
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You need to quit listening to flight attendants.
I even had a UAL FA tell me what a sweet deal we were getting on the employee parking lot bus the other day.....
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If a contract passes by 90% I'm looking for another job, chapter7 is just around the corner.Sunsetting DCI is a pipe dream, sounds good on Internet web boards but the reality is as long as we are a hub and spoke carrier we will have DCI. As long as we are a global carrier we will have code sharing and JV's. It is easy to pick a TA apart especially with the half truths and mis information on the web. What is hard to do is come up with a viable plan in the aftermath of a no vote. You say DL will come back to the table and base it on what a rep said or what you conjecture to be the reason, I say for many reasons they won't. I don't think this TA will pass, for me it is not a big deal either way. I am not being mean spirited when I say I'm at the top of the food chain and therefor a yes or no vote will not affect my QOL. I do believe that a no vote and the ramifications of a no vote will impact the junior pilots. You think some of the intra DL memos are propaganda, I say they fired a shot across our bows and they are not going to back down, they can't now politically. Again I hope you are right but I'll wager you are wrong.
Finis, I think this TA will pass, despite my own personal no vote. All the comments I'm hearing from the yes side essentially boil down to, "we'd better accept what the company offers or else". Well, if that is the case, then the company was too generous, they could have saved more money with a 3-3-3 or 1-1-1.

I had 777A LCA in my jumpseat a couple of days ago talking about a meeting with RA. The pilot contract wasn't even an afterthought in RA's mind in the meeting, with all of the other grand plans he has on deck now & in the future. Honestly if RA didn't give a hoot about this labor force then he wouldn't have expended so much effort in this "7-month-early-50-seat-trade-for-76-seats-coupled-with-a-717-incentive-and-promise-of-hiring.". I expect the last thing we'll hear about prior to the vote closing out is a new widebody order 'pending approval of the new pilot TA'.

I am a junior dude and will feel the impact either way, as I do in every single AE.

Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!
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Finis, I think this TA will pass, despite my own personal no vote. All the comments I'm hearing from the yes side essentially boil down to, "we'd better accept what the company offers or else". Well, if that is the case, then the company was too generous, they could have saved more money with a 3-3-3 or 1-1-1.

I had 777A LCA in my jumpseat a couple of days ago talking about a meeting with RA. The pilot contract wasn't even an afterthought in RA's mind in the meeting, with all of the other grand plans he has on deck now & in the future. Honestly if RA didn't give a hoot about this labor force then he wouldn't have expended so much effort in this "7-month-early-50-seat-trade-for-76-seats-coupled-with-a-717-incentive-and-promise-of-hiring.". I expect the last thing we'll hear about prior to the vote closing out is a new widebody order 'pending approval of the new pilot TA'.

I am a junior dude and will feel the impact either way, as I do in every single AE.

Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!

My ride has big jugs and long legs, who's your daddy.
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My ride has big jugs and long legs, who's your daddy.
Well, that's true, but the 75's stick out more prominently and its body is more slender...
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I even had a UAL FA tell me what a sweet deal we were getting on the employee parking lot bus the other day.....
If she's married to a UA pilot, she knows from experience.
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