Sled, your comments RE my previous post are in quotes. I'm a Luddite, so you'll have to adapt and bear with me.
"End of contract Pay is industry leading"
Who cares about the pay at the end? Gas will be 6/gal by then and interest rates back into double digits! Why wait? The end is years off. I don't see enough other good stuff to justify the wait. Call me a bomb tosser, but JH promised industry leading. He and his homies did all they could to derail the contract progression for years, yet now we're going to pay El Heffe to finance the replacement jets? In fact, while we're at it, JH told me to my face that retro "was all there". Must be fuzzy math, because all I see is bupkis. I'm tired of giving UAL anything. My rectum is sore and they still want more. Nyet!
"That's 3.5 to push or 30 min less than what we have now. AND, if less than 3 hours call out you can park in pay parking and expense it."
Nope. Right not we have NO time to call out. ZERO, ZIP. You show me where it says 4 hours. You won't find it for a reason. The TA says that times can be reduced to 2:30! Who gives a ship about paid parking? I have successfully worked reserve from 200 miles from domo for 10 years. Never missed an assignment or been late when using the old "four hour" rule. Not one call from a flight manager. Not one late push. There is NO way I, or hundreds of other guys will be able to fulfill the new guideline. In 18 months or less, 2:30 will be the NORM and I'll wager a case of Heneken on it. This contract doesn't pay me enough to move. I'll take a wild guess that you're not on reserve, or live in domicile. Good for you. But before you toss our the usual crap about choosing to live in BFE, I USED to hold a line on the 37, the 67 and now the bus. My home was never an issue, while either a reserve or line holder. I've lived in the same spot since date of hire. Now, I need to move. Short calls galore, freebie FSB's, potential loss of a picked up trip to pretty much anyone, etc. "Just go sit in ops and be glad you have a job." THE RESERVE RULES SUCK. Whoopee! A three hour increase in guarantee and the occasional Oreo's tossed your way after rough sex. BFD! Please Sir, May I have another? Fly into your vacation? On a scheduled day off? MJM? What's not to like?
"at 100% pay premium AFTER they have SRMed for 100% pay premium with no takers. I can live with that. BTW, you mentioned SWA earlier. They have IJA (involuntary junior assigned)"
Glad you can live with it. Vote yes. I cannot and will negate your vote. The company could EASILY find way to cover any and all open flying without routinely screwing anyone. The CAL side of the house is used to 150% at the whim of the company. So, offer it up front and let the OT guys fly themselves into an early old folks home. They've got 7 billion to finance the P.A.T.T.
After a year or two of this contract, they'll have 10B. This contract is loaded with incentive pay. Why does it have to be doled out AFTER someone gets screwed? My last job had incentive pay for MJRM and it was universally loathed. There are better ways to cover open flying, even in irreg ops.
VACA pay is concessionary.
"compared to what we have? that don't make no sense James. 3.25 is a 16% increase."
True. But, VACA drop has been decimated! So, talk to some guys who are used to significantly improving their QOL with it before you arbitrarily decide that it's nothing. In the end, I am a QOL guy, not interested in working 20 days per month for an extra 10%. It's a big reason I wanted to wear a striped tie.