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#161
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I'm curious about this as well (I think you are referencing the Aer Lingus tie-up/scope experiment). Has anyone said anything about scope at the bottom end; you know, those pesky RJs?
Disclaimer: I am just a lowly RJ driver and I know this is not my place. But there are a lot of us on this side who are counting on the big boys to hold the line so we have a shot at moving on in this life time.
Disclaimer: I am just a lowly RJ driver and I know this is not my place. But there are a lot of us on this side who are counting on the big boys to hold the line so we have a shot at moving on in this life time.
I read somewhere in the explaination section that scope specifically addresses this. Aer Lingus was actually the eg.
#162
12:45 between rest periods? That doesn't even make sense. I already answered your post. Yes, a guy sitting at home on short call can be called and given a trip that shows in 10 hrs. How does that dispute the 12:45 rest after blocking in from a flying assignment? You need to educate yourself on this contract, Motch. There is lots of material on the website. Try the CrewsNews. I have read them all. And the Contract Comparison clearly shows yearly rate comparisons, so I am not sure what you are talking about.
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#163
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
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UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.
The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.
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#166
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: B756 FO
Posts: 1,288
And to save money. For example, are you happy the first class DH survived? Look again. It still says "at time of booking." UAL pilots assume that this booking will still take place, as it does now, when the monthly schedules come when there are still open first class seats. CAL pilots know, since it doesn't say when the booking has to take place, the company will just change the time of booking to 24 hours before the flight, when there are no first class seats left. "Time of booking" not specified in the contract, problem solved. No more pilots in first class.
UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.
The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.
UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.
The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.
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#168
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
If it gets voted down 55% to 45%, they will tweak rates and retro to get the 5.01% needed to pass it. That will not take long.
I know we are all hungry and psychologically drained waiting for our contract, but we can not settle on the crumbs they throw off the table. We can't settle on a deal that is not worthy of a contract. Have faith, management needs a deal now more than we do and they will give more if we stand strong. Vote NO
I know we are all hungry and psychologically drained waiting for our contract, but we can not settle on the crumbs they throw off the table. We can't settle on a deal that is not worthy of a contract. Have faith, management needs a deal now more than we do and they will give more if we stand strong. Vote NO
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#169
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Position: 737 CA
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#170
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
And to save money. For example, are you happy the first class DH survived? Look again. It still says "at time of booking." UAL pilots assume that this booking will still take place, as it does now, when the monthly schedules come when there are still open first class seats. CAL pilots know, since it doesn't say when the booking has to take place, the company will just change the time of booking to 24 hours before the flight, when there are no first class seats left. "Time of booking" not specified in the contract, problem solved. No more pilots in first class.
UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.
The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.
UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.
The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.
From the TA:
5-C-2 Global Flight Deadheading
When On-Line deadheading on a Global Flight, a Pilot shall be booked positive space. Pilots shall be booked in Business Class, if available at the time of booking. If Business Class is unavailable, the booking shall be in First Class, if available at the time of booking. If both
Business Class and First Class are unavailable, Business Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot, unless Business Class does not exist on the aircraft, in which case First Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot. When a Pilot is booked in Business Class, he may be upgraded to First Class at the gate on the day of Departure, but only after all revenue passenger upgrades have been accommodated (e.g., MileagePlus upgrades). When a
Pilot is overbooked in Business Class or First Class, he shall be boarded in Business Class or First Class and may not be downgraded to Economy Class (including Economy Plus). In no case shall a Pilot whose deadheading is booked under this Section 5-C-2 be required to deadhead in Economy Class (including Economy Plus).
5-C-1-d When deadheading to or from any assignment, if the deadhead leg is greater than eight (8) hours or the total amount of deadheading in the Duty Period is greater than eight
(8) hours, the Pilot shall be booked in accordance with the provisions of Section 5-C-2. (above)
5-C-1-h A deadheading Pilot booked in First or Business Class shall not be downgraded to Economy Class to accommodate an upgraded passenger.
5-C-1-e A Pilot whose deadhead is booked under this Section 5-C-1 shall not be required to deadhead in Economy Class if the seat is not an Economy Plus seat except that:
5-C-1-e-(1) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, then premium Economy Class seating that has extra legroom shall satisfy a requirement to be seated in Economy Plus.
5-C-1-e-(2) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, premium Economy Class seating, Business Class or First Class, the Pilot may be seated in Economy Class even if the seat is not Economy Plus.
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