Sounds legit like he knows what he is talking about then



On that note, this place is still a nice place to work, minus the whole we don't have a future and contract fiasco.

I never heard of anyone getting "burned" by AWAC either.

As for morale, that's been swirling down the DC crew room poop pipe for a while now. I'm here now and every flush I hear is the sound of another resignation dropping

I'll jump on the bandwagon. I've been here for five years. I've never been personally "burned.". Few cups of burned hotel coffee but otherwise it's been a great five years for me. Many will echo that sentiment. Yes, it's time to head for the life boats but to say this has been a bad place to work is patently false.

I'm still watching from the shadows of military leave.. I miss you guys and the flying. Starting to look like I'll never get my chance to dust off the ol' ZW uniform...

I literally just sent mine 3 minutes ago. Feels absolutely amazing.

According to Crew Availability come tomorrow I will have made it 15 FOs this month. Unreal, but sadly not a surprise. There is no reason to stay here right now and it isn't hard for FOs with decent TT to get to an LCC. A lot of us are ending up at em now and its a great thing.

I agree completely. I really cannot complain much at all especially compared to the amount of BS I hear from friends at other regionals. AWAC has been solid. Its very sad to see what is happening here now. I hope there is a future more so for the late 50's Lifer group.

While I say let it burn, I have not been burned personally. NH's that are let go are those that deserve to be gone. Even with all our staffing woes, I can honestly say thay air wis has not lowered their standards or expectations from even a millimeter from what they have been even before all this mess.

That's what I was thinking. And based on the fact of "who would come here right now anyway?!"- probably a good bet.

Said by a training department leader at a recent Flight Instructor Meeting, "It's not your job to staff the airline." Which the person explained further; don't lower your standards, pass the people who deserve to pass.

I can truly say that we keep the same high standards, but we try like hell to bring everyone up to them...even if it takes a lot of extra sessions.

If a candidate has experience/skill gaps...we try to close them...sometimes they are to wide.

If you feel you were burned by AWAC...then your expectations of what is reasonable is too out of wack.

You won't show up on the Availability board until you're gone. You'll be in the October count.

Look at the long term availability... the trips you would have flown are included there.

Good luck, and glad to see someone else be able to move on. Still waiting for the call...

It's unfortunate you are in that situation. I remember flying with many CA's who said the exact same thing when I was an F/O at AWAC. It was disheartening to hear these guys talk about not being able to leave. I vowed to never let myself get put in that situation.

I remember flying with a CA who just upgraded (2006-ish). This guy went out and bought a new $30k+ car. There goes your upgrade money! When I upgraded I bought a new suitcase (traded in the POS for a Purdy Neat).

I think this is a great lesson for guys on here. SAVE SAVE SAVE. You know the day will come. Don't put yourself in that situation. Don't buy a new car; don't buy a big house (unless wife is a doctor ). Live like you have as a first year F/O and pay off everything. This is so important.

Some guys might bail for a decent paying legacy. A select few. Most will end up at a LCC making $40k-$50k your first year. Maybe $60k-$70k your second. You might not catch up to AWAC CA pay for 3, 4, 5 years. I know a guy who lived in CLT turn down US Airways AFTER the merger because he couldn't afford the $35/hr first year pay (it went up to $75/hr about 10 months later). Great guy, but he put himself in that situation. He could be living in base, making $140k/yr working 3-5 days a month sitting short call on the 757...

I left AWAC at the beginning of Feb. My W2 showed $16k for that month. I made ~$30k the 11 months I was at my next carrier. I didn't miss a beat; I just put less in my savings account that year.