There no reason why the new UAL can't train LUAL pilots at IAH in the 737. It's working pretty good so far. No need to spend money on DEN 737 training. Of course, IAH is full and they need more sims, so maybe they want some in DEN?

Very true, anything else wouldn't be "fair". It might be a "windfall" otherwise.

I'm really stuck on the "emotional impact" comment. These missives are almost always written for a larger audience and/or rife with hidden meaning and inferences; but really? "Emotional impact" specific to any one domicile (made up of adults by the way). Other L-UAL domiciles have 737s and L-CAL domiciles have 320s. Pilots in SFO can probably handle this.
The fact still remains that the junior 737 Capt in ORD has a seniority date that would have gotten him furloughed at L-UAL. Emotional impact indeed-deal with the whole group Jay.

Sim time is not the issue, S-UAL can use the S-CAL sims and/or rent sims anywhere.

Prior to combined operations the training and checking of S-UAL pilots must be conducted by active S-UAL seniority list pilots as the old UAL contract remains in force during the interim. Unless some form of relief is granted, UCH will need to spool up to train and staff an entire duplicate S-UAL 737 training department even if they can use a xerox copy of the S-CAL 737 FAA-approved curriculum.

If you are at the bottom of the UAL seniority list, how is it that you expect to not be at a similar relative position, ie towards the bottom, of the new isl.

If the merger would not have happened, once recalled to UAL, you would have assumed your position at the bottom of the list. So you would most likely be an A320 F/O.

After the isl is put together, I don't see how you would expect to be too much better off than a junior A320 F/O.

The arbitrator will have to work this all out. I am trying to understand your thinking in trying to justify something better than where you would have been had the merger not happened.
Assuming that you had an airline to come back to and that UAL wasn't pieced out in an auction like Pan Am was.

Anyone wanna take any bets on "Should"...

Almost as tired of hearing that, as much as the CAL group is tired of hearing the 1437 were furloughed to make the merger happen. Both sides will present their case, the arbitrators will decide, and then we'll all live with the results.

Fair resides not only in the present moment, but also in the future. Likewise for windfalls. All for the arbitrators to decide.

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There is no possible way l-Cal can finish all of the training in this bid prior to SLI. Even just the 737 is unattainable with all of the guys moving up.

IAH Chief Pilot talked yesterday about just work rule improvement required training was about 800 pilots just for the CAL side.

He stated there will be significant numbers of unfilled vacancies at SLI. They know that and those will just be rolled for the post SLI bid.
Reminder, 270 of those bids are from Aug 2012, and the rest are for projections out 12 months, even though SLI could be in 6 months. They know they need training at IAH and dentk prior to summer.

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