Future Vacancy Bids
01-25-2013, 08:16 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
Why does JH encourage the curtailing of vacancies being filled at L-CAL by new hires if it has no bearing on the SLI (allegedly)? Serious question.
01-25-2013, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
In theory this would reduce the number of potential bidding opportunities for more senior pilots that could otherwise hold the seat after SLI.
Everyone knows that we have been merging for a couple years (SLI).
Everyone knows that age 65 retirements started in Dec 2012.
Everyone knows that both airlines are already short-staffed.
Bid what you want, don't bid what you don't want. If you wait, you get what you get.
01-25-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Once a pilot is in a seat, he/she can't be bumped out (flushed) in subsequent bids, or in this case as a result of SLI, by a more senior pilot looking for the same base/fleet/seat.
The concern is that pilots who may not have the seniority horsepower to bid a seat after SLI may get one prior to SLI. Yes, after SLI they will always be "junior" (relatively) in that base/fleet/seat but they will hold onto it until they bid something else or they are surplussed by a change in staffing requirements.
In theory this would reduce the number of potential bidding opportunities for more senior pilots that could otherwise hold the seat after SLI.
The concern is that pilots who may not have the seniority horsepower to bid a seat after SLI may get one prior to SLI. Yes, after SLI they will always be "junior" (relatively) in that base/fleet/seat but they will hold onto it until they bid something else or they are surplussed by a change in staffing requirements.
In theory this would reduce the number of potential bidding opportunities for more senior pilots that could otherwise hold the seat after SLI.
01-25-2013, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
In theory, if a "senior" pilots gambles with his QOL and holds out on a captain bid and then can't hold it later, too bad. That's their choice. Upgrade or don't upgrade, but it's not the fault of a "junior" pilot.
Everyone knows that we have been merging for a couple years (SLI).
Everyone knows that age 65 retirements started in Dec 2012.
Everyone knows that both airlines are already short-staffed.
Bid what you want, don't bid what you don't want. If you wait, you get what you get.
Everyone knows that we have been merging for a couple years (SLI).
Everyone knows that age 65 retirements started in Dec 2012.
Everyone knows that both airlines are already short-staffed.
Bid what you want, don't bid what you don't want. If you wait, you get what you get.
01-25-2013, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
In theory, if a "senior" pilots gambles with his QOL and holds out on a captain bid and then can't hold it later, too bad. That's their choice. Upgrade or don't upgrade, but it's not the fault of a "junior" pilot.
Everyone knows that we have been merging for a couple years (SLI).
Everyone knows that age 65 retirements started in Dec 2012.
Everyone knows that both airlines are already short-staffed.
Bid what you want, don't bid what you don't want. If you wait, you get what you get.
Everyone knows that we have been merging for a couple years (SLI).
Everyone knows that age 65 retirements started in Dec 2012.
Everyone knows that both airlines are already short-staffed.
Bid what you want, don't bid what you don't want. If you wait, you get what you get.
But in the case of UCH and UCH's plans for 2013, I think UAL ALPA has a very legitimate reason to "trust but verify."
Later this year "S-UAL" 737-900ERs are scheduled for delivery combined with the retirement of L-UAL 757s. Considering the total absence of a pre-SLI S-UAL 737 training program, IMHO, it's a reasonable concern of UAL ALPA that UCH could attempt to train and staff the 737-900ERs prior to combined operations using its existing S-CAL assets.
01-25-2013, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
The concern is that pilots who may not have the seniority horsepower to bid a seat after SLI may get one prior to SLI.
Otherwise, the inverse is true, if you can't hold the plane before the integration, why should you be able to hold it after?
01-25-2013, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tailwheel48
I would imagine that in a fair integration, what you could hold before the integration, you should be able to hold after!
Otherwise, the inverse is true, if you can't hold the plane before the integration, why should you be able to hold it after?
Otherwise, the inverse is true, if you can't hold the plane before the integration, why should you be able to hold it after?
01-25-2013, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tailwheel48
I would imagine that in a fair integration, what you could hold before the integration, you should be able to hold after!
Otherwise, the inverse is true, if you can't hold the plane before the integration, why should you be able to hold it after?
Otherwise, the inverse is true, if you can't hold the plane before the integration, why should you be able to hold it after?
An LUAL 1998 hire FO totally disagrees.
01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
January 25, 2013
....A CAL 737 base in SFO, while permitted in the TPA extension, would have had an emotional impact on the United Pilots. ...
....A CAL 737 base in SFO, while permitted in the TPA extension, would have had an emotional impact on the United Pilots. ...
Can someone explain the logic of trowing $$$ for PS0 for DH to/from SFO?
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