Coto, Why in your opinion would he fight that? Come on? Wasn't Pierce involved with getting the "retreads" over to the CAL side to help your pilots out? Your comment with no explanation kind puts you in the i'm an angry man light.......I'm glad guys are returning to your side of the fence. Maybe then you can worry about whats going on with your own MEC.....

 

Pierce has done everything he possibly can to attempt to gain an advantage in the SLI, would not agree to a prenup not to include contract negotiations as DA/NW did, insisted on pay banding, would not allow UA pilots flying at CAL to get their first of the month check increased, and most significantly LOA 25. This is just off the top of my head.

 

Seriously? If someone's a 73 Captain at lCal, they're only a few hundred numbers from being a 756 Captain, and could reasonably expect to hold 756 Captain within 2 years. So your question should be:

"The career expectations (career earnings) of a currently unemployed pilot who will return as a junior FO for awhile and eventually become a wide body captain for one year starting at 64, vs a 35 year old lCal pilot who is currently a narrow body captain and will become a 756 Captain by 40 will be massively different."

 

I don't want a windfall. Just a fair integration based on today's Alpa Merger policy. Status and Category, Career Expectations, and Longevity. Not "where they are now" or "relative seniority" or any other made up, APC forum criteria. Lets stick with the rules and let the process work.

the Sled

 

Agree 100%, the CAL side seems to be afraid of the "new" ALPA policy.

 

I think you all should pick up what the Father is laying down in the other thread

"Going forward, is it more important to comment to promote a certain seniority list construct, or is it more important to comment to promote understanding? We certainly won't decide the final list, but we better understand the pilots, sans scabs, that make up that list when we fly with them."

 

You need to get it out of your head that is all the sli is based on. This is items that must be considered WIThOUt and particular weight. The past and many other factors will come into play.

Category-- unemployed

Career expectations-- who knows, maybe one day.

Longevity-- some

So with these factors only you are throwing 1437 under the bus.

 

Which is all nonsense. You make it sound like all the pilots at CAL are 757 captains. Half are Capts and half are FOs. Just because of big undesirable domiciles like EWR causing guys to stay in the right seat forever and allowing capt to go junior isn't going to be considered. All of my friends at CAL were hired in the late 90s. Guess what? They are all FOs still. They like being senior on the 767 and 777 as FOs. They all tell me they can hold 757 cap but the flying is lousy so they don't upgrade. Same with 737 capt. They all commute and don't want to commute to a lousy narrow body schedule.

If your SLI argument is that your list has more bidding variability and that you should be rewarded, it isn't going to work.

I guess for some pilots at CAL it is a career expectation to have 15 years seniority and be a 767 FO.

So please don't try and convince me or anyone that because a guy with 80% seniority can hold 737 capt that every pilot above that has that expectation, because if they actually bid it, it wouldn't go below 50%.

That's why they didn't look at who sat where when they did DAL NWA. Just what each airline brought in terms of equipment.

What you should do is get all the CAL pilots to intentionally not bid 777 Cap and let it go to the bottom guy on the list, so you can argue that every CAL pilot can hold 777 Cap their entire career.

Really looking forward to the final SLI outcome so we can put this to rest.

 

Tell that to the top 400 pilots at UAL. They were all furloughed in the early 80s and all 747 Capts now. So I guess they did have a career expectation.

 

Not all of the top 400 at ual were furloughed in the early 80's and they are not all 747 captains.

Geez aren't you the one that kept talking about the happiness once you got you airbus contract passed?