Coto. Who should represent you with the arbitrators , as a furloughed United Pilot with recall rights to L-UA. CAL, L-UA or both. In other words whose list will you be on, after the arbitration ruling ? If its UA then why wouldn't UA merger committee represent you as a furloughed pilot to their list. Aren't they the real target of your representation concerns, since they will argue for your seniority and was signatory to the JCBA and LOAs. What makes you believe that you have not been represented properly as a new hire to CAL and ALPA member under the TP&A and ALPA guidelines?

 

Good theory but only LOA25 is a clear manipulation attempt of the SLI.

 

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No one from lUal wants to publish comparisons from their list?

 

Please, please please read the Delta award. In my opinion, that will be used as somewhat of a template for the UCH award with the exception of the recent addition of longevity as a consideration that didn't exist in ALPA policy at the time of the Delta list. Longevity was clearly added to avoid a Usair Nic #2 result. Just covering their butts if you ask me. If you read the Delta award closely, you'll quickly realize that the bottom number in any seat/fleet/domicile really doesn't come into play (with the exception of no bump flush) as those super junior positions likely indicate a less desirable lifestyle (super junior, crappy life on reserve, blah, blah, blah.)

In fact, it came out more as a category(wide cap, narrow cap, etc), seat, and the number of jobs those entailed with some pullouts and reinsertions based on a number of factors. It did not matter what seat you actually bid, as they're simply slots where the legacy list pilots get slotted back into based on whatever the final list comes out for each category. You will not move on your legacy list relative to the other pilots on the list. Clearly, adding longevity into the equation changes the Delta award solution somewhat, but what the junior position is as a percentage of the list has historically not mattered in the final award. What matters is total jobs, based on category and seat.

FWIW, from a young mid-seniority L-UAL guy (3603 of ?) that has 26 years to go.

Scott

 

By who?

UAL MEC voted 80% in favor of LOA 25.
CAL MEC voted only 64% in favor of it.

Perhaps this will help: Darth Vader was Luke's father.

 

You're a really funny guy.

The UAL vote was 100% for ending CAL MEC ASAP.

You think the arbitrators aren't gonna here how LOA25 came about and why UAL MEC/pilots voted to end team CAL/UCH. When are CAL pilots gonna get it...we voted this JCBA for one reason...end CAL MEC. The votes were supporting of ending the most important issue to us: ending the whipsaw not supporting CAL MECs ultimatums/LOA25.

Regardless, the CAL capitulating culture will die with this JCBA and I'd rather loose 147 spots on a SLI than have another day of dealing with your MEC!

Maybe this will help: Darth Vader dies in Fly the Line III.

 

Now that hits the nail on the head. Yes, you'll be in charge soon and will try to fix the culture. I sincerely wish your folks the best of luck as our new reps. I hope they can do better with CAL management than we ever seemed to. At least it's worth a try. You may find that it wasn't the CAL pilot group that was "capitulating" as you say, but it is a management that plays by rules you aren't familiar with. But again, you couldn't do a lot worse. My best to your MEC in this endeavor.

 

The TPA as well as ALPA attorney Bob Nichols both made it clear how the representation was to occur. The CAL MEC was legally obligated to represent the furloughed United pilots flying at CAL and paying ALPA dues for all matters except SLI. The United MEC was and is obligated to represent the furloughed United pilots flying at CAL for the purposes of SLI. That being the case, as contract negotiations were supposed to have nothing to do with the SLI, it would have been incumbent upon the CAL MEC to represent the interests of the furloughed United pilots during the negotiations of the LOA. That being said, do you think that the CAL MEC met the standard?

"The duty of fair representation is incumbent upon U.S. labor unions that are the exclusive bargaining representative of workers in a particular group. It is the obligation to represent all employees fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination."

Will a judge or jury believe that the dues paying United pilots flying at CAL were represented fairly during the adoption of LOA 25 Paragraph 4? Pretty simple question really.

 

This is the whole reason CAL should of never hired any UAL guys. Ethically it was the right thing, but it just opens up so many cans of worms. Should of remained separate until after SLI. A few bad apples spoiled it for everyone.

 

Would have been no problem or lawsuits if there wasn't also several JCBA manipulations that were insisted on by CAL pilots/MEC in unethical ultimatums that serve only one purpose...sway the SLI process.