Wow. We live on a different planet, are you Tom Cruise in disguise?.

Pay banding planes with 200 seat delta, LOA25, dragging negotiations on to facilitate more screwed lists all while you've been feeding our WB fleet for 3 years..now you name one item that UAL MEC demanded inclusion in the JCBA as a manipulation of the SLI. Well shall see how the arbitrators react to an obvious manipulation of the SLI process "protection" that was agree prior should have had no place in the JCBA. Despite both MECs saying LOA25 wont impact SLI it is an obvious attempt to do just so. I will show my level of thanks when I vote them out later this Summer.

Glad on my planet their are some pretty good attorneys that disagree with you.

 

Whoa...we have FA's from WWII? They all look pretty hot to me! Even the ones with the Frankenstein painted on faces...just park the walker at the door.

 

A '96 L-UAL F/O also disagrees. Consider the average age of the 2005 hire L-CAL captain .. 35 years old maybe? The average age of the L-UAL first officer, late 40's, early 50's. Equitable SLI takes into account equitable rewards from the merged airline synergies. That 2005 hire at L-CAL has 30 years to reap the benefits of the merger. The '96 hire at L-UAL , who WAS a five year captain in 2001, then a ten year captain in 2007, and now a 16 year f/o in 2013, only has 15 years to benefit from the synergies. That's why date of hire makes so much sense.

 

LOL, Dave, I've flown with you .. you're no Jack Kennedy (just kidding my friend ). Kudos for all your work, as well as DB, to help us get a contract.

 

You are making up ages. Many junior CAL pilots were hired old. 40's and 50's. Do you know the actual average age? Does it matter? Age has nothing to do with it.

 

Age has everything to do with it. At 51 I looked at the CAL list last year and had to go something 150 numbers to find someone older than me and then another 150 to find another. I looked at the bottom of the CAL list yesterday now that it is full of United furloughees and I was slightly over the median age. If you place a younger pilot hired after an older one ahead of the older one, the older pilot will never advance to where he would have(career expectation). If on the other hand you place the older pilot hired before the younger one ahead of the younger one then the older pilot will still end up where he would have and the younger one will end up where he would have. The younger pilots career may be delayed, but that is made up for by the fact that he will have much greater opportunities to advance to a wide body captain as United has two and a half times the number.

 

The Delta NW arbitrator made an adjustment to the list for this because Delta had more retirements. I imagine that UAL will get the same kind of credit for this.

But yes, aggregate age is definitely going to play a part, although probably not that much.

The interesting thing is that if UAL today has 3 times as many widebodies as CAL, then in 10 years there should still be 3 times as many sUAL pilots as widebody Captains as sCAL pilots. Either a super long fence, or just placement on the list is the only way to make this happen.

The sCAL guys are scared of sUAL guys flying the guppies. For what its worth, they can have them all. I don't ever want to fly that airplane. Just leave me the widebodies.

 

Well said Coto.

 

Oh yes, makes perfect sense!

 

Its called age discrimination. Works both ways young and old. Can't discriminate against someone because they are younger.