Malaysia Flight 17 (777) shot down!

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Quote: Historically speaking, the Russian military or the US Navy. Looks like the Russian military again.
I think we should keep in mind who released this information. A Ukrainian government official, who has seen his country lose territory and people in the air and on the ground, would quickly blame his adversary.
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Hopefully the MH crew was on their flight plan.
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My company has been flying around Ukrainian airspace for months now.
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If it's MA17 :
they were last at 52°06'14.8"N 8°31'27.8"E which plants them straight over Germany. The plot thickens....
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Quote: If it's MA17 :
they were last at 52°06'14.8"N 8°31'27.8"E which plants them straight over Germany. The plot thickens....
Flightaware has them over Ukraine.
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Quote: Might want to move this out of the cargo forums.
Cargo guys deadhead on pax carriers. Also....we "cargo" types fly these exact routes over Ukraine/Russia all the time. This is a serious threat to ALL airlines!!
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Time for more hashtag diplomacy

#DontShootPlanes
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Quote: I think we should keep in mind who released this information. A Ukrainian government official, who has seen his country lose territory and people in the air and on the ground, would quickly blame his adversary.
Want to take a bet? Russia has been exporting weapons to separatists. Kids playing with a new toy.
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MAS17 playback from 2014-07-17T13:05:01 UTC - Plane Finder
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Quote: Want to take a bet? Russia has been exporting weapons to separatists. Kids playing with a new toy.
I never said it wasn't. I just said keep in mind who said it. Seems a little early to jump to conclusions. Based on recent events, the odds of it being shot down are a lot higher than most regions but it's still lacking any facts.

Of course as I wrote that: pictures indicate a debris field and indicates that it didn't hit the ground intact.
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