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hornetdriver34 , 05-06-2016 05:53 AM
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The reason we don't want to follow the path NAI is following is because their whole operation is based on bending rules and skirting regulations to allow them to hire the cheapest labor with the most company friendly work rules. We DO NOT want the U.S. airlines to follow suit because it would destroy our profession as we know it. I don't think any of us want to work under an asian labor contract at a carrier that's based out of a different country to skirt U.S. regulations. It would negatively impact our pay, QOL, and job security. Being based in the USA, all the US airlines have to follow the same rules. When you allow a carrier to base it's airline in a country it doesn't even fly to, just to get around the rules that every other airline in this country has to follow, it hurts us all.


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Yet they still make more than any other regional pilot...... Alpa is more concerned about dumping millions in legal fees to fight those guys then get the regional pay up.....
Because they fly a 787!!!! Come on now. I understand regional pay isn't where it needs to be but hopefully regional airlines won't even exist in 10 years. ALPA is trying to preserve high paying international jobs (and their feed).
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Not quite, we were hit over the head with the contracts that Mesa, GoJet, and Republic had and the low longevity of Compass. Plus a lot of people voted yes for the signing bonus alone as they had one foot out the door already and didn't care about the long term effects.
We all led the race at one point or another.
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Not quite, we were hit over the head with the contracts that Mesa, GoJet, and Republic had and the low longevity of Compass. Plus a lot of people voted yes for the signing bonus alone as they had one foot out the door already and didn't care about the long term effects.
why look for excuses and blame the poor contracts at the other regionals, you had a chance to change the trend at the time and stand for something and you caved in, allowing all other regional management to continue with the poor contracts. Maybe thanks to Endeavor pilots bending down forward, we are all still paying for it.
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why look for excuses and blame the poor contracts at the other regionals, you had a chance to change the trend at the time and stand for something and you caved in, allowing all other regional management to continue with the poor contracts. Maybe thanks to Endeavor pilots bending down forward, we are all still paying for it.
Caved in? Come on, do your homework before spouting off.
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why look for excuses and blame the poor contracts at the other regionals, you had a chance to change the trend at the time and stand for something and you caved in, allowing all other regional management to continue with the poor contracts. Maybe thanks to Endeavor pilots bending down forward, we are all still paying for it.
Change the trend by having the bankruptcy judge impose an even worse contract than what was being voted on? While loosing over half our fleet? Not like we were low balling for shiny new RJs.
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why look for excuses and blame the poor contracts at the other regionals, you had a chance to change the trend at the time and stand for something and you caved in, allowing all other regional management to continue with the poor contracts. Maybe thanks to Endeavor pilots bending down forward, we are all still paying for it.
Very true. The judge turned down the first proposal and then the pilot group voted it in. I don't have anamosity toward my pilot group though. A lot simply can't move on for one reason or another. We don't control scope so for that reason they can and will continue the whip. The pilot shortage complicates matters though.
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Yet they still make more than any other regional pilot...... Alpa is more concerned about dumping millions in legal fees to fight those guys then get the regional pay up.....
Regional pay is the highest it has ever been, NAI will put downward pressure on regional wages too eventually. ALPA is doing the right thing here despite what has happened in the past.
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Very true. The judge turned down the first proposal and then the pilot group voted it in. I don't have anamosity toward my pilot group though. A lot simply can't move on for one reason or another. We don't control scope so for that reason they can and will continue the whip. The pilot shortage complicates matters though.
I don't think that's true. The judge did turn down the first proposal. Then Delta made a few changes for the better and threatened extinction if we didn't approve it
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why look for excuses and blame the poor contracts at the other regionals, you had a chance to change the trend at the time and stand for something and you caved in, allowing all other regional management to continue with the poor contracts. Maybe thanks to Endeavor pilots bending down forward, we are all still paying for it.
A Republic pilot lecturing Endeavor pilots on accepting a BK contract? The irony. The 4 year pay cap on FO's in the BK contract came straight from the Republic contract. You really don't have a leg to stand on, Republic has been dragging down the industry for years now. Maybe thanks to you accepting a job at Republic which has been a bottom of the barrel feeder for years now all FOs are still paying for it being capped at 4 year pay. You accepting a subpar contract after how many years of negotiating? That isn't brining down the industry?
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