The difference is that American is under different management. It's being working as promised since the merger.

Now, why do you think they didn't gave more flow to PSA? Because they are tied with the envoy flow until the Protected pilots are gone. Then I could see AA merging regionals when the supply of pilots will be less. (In about 5 yrs)

I suck at math but if PDT was the same size as Envoy, ~2000 pilots, we would flow around 16 pilots a month. Right now we have around 450. Envoys is better, but not way better. PSA sounds like they got hosed.

You are desperately, desperately grasping at straws. American hasn't broken any promises. Not one.

If you are living in the past and referring to AMR, well then that is your problem. And you need to check your facts. The flow does not decrease to 35% after the 824. It remains at 50% through the PP group once the 40th E175 arrives. The arrival of the 40th E175 and the first PP flow should coincide around the same time.

After the PP group the number of pilots on property is relatively small...meaning the time to flow for an individual person will still be the same if not quicker.

But keep trying to play the "what if" game. You are doing a great job at it.

I'll help you out:

If a meteor strikes the earth tomorrow and wipes out civilization, AA probably won't honor the flow.

Is that a good enough one for you?

This guy gets it.

You just don't get it. I've explained this over and over. The math works. Yes, 205 upgrades next year and that puts us right in line with the 2.5 year upgrade OR less. Did you get that? Maybe LESS than 2.5. I think management was trying to be realistic with the 2.5 but quite frankly the numbers show it to be less than 2.5. Dare I say 2/4? It's certainly WELL within the realm of possibility.

The fact is AAG management has done exactly as they said they would. They are living up to their promises and that equals a bright future for Envoy pilots. Or should I say, AA pilots. Because in reality, that's what we already are.

Some on here have made it their life mission to tear down Envoy. I think it's jealousy. Why? Because Gojet, RAH, TransStates to name a few do not have the CAREER PROGRESSION an Envoy pilot has. That's something you wouldn't understand. It's like arguing with a child.

AAG has kept every promise they have made since Day One. They are doing exactly as they said they would. Our flow percentages blow away the other wholly owned. It's a great time to be an Envoy pilot.

I guess you don't get it either as from my perspective your "math" sucks. If only 205 upgrades occur next year as management has indicated, the rest of the present F/O's must upgrade within 1.5 years after that. That's about 800 F/O's if you have 2000 pilots. I wouldn't be surprised by anything you say as each Tale of Ulysses is wilder then the last.

AAG management has reason to meet the present flow, the most important being they are required to as per Nicolau's award. Right now, that works for them considering Envoy's pilot demographics and their likely plan for the WO regional future. Only a sap would mistake what AAG is doing from a self-interest/contractual reason to what Envoy management is promises for THEIR personal interests. Some on here have also made it their life's mission to sell snake oil to boost their own CAREER PROGRESSION and a few because they are probably paid for it. ........I heard it was $96,000 last year ?

Keep selling hard as you wish, but I don't think the Envoy CJC is reeling in to many suckers with their song and dance act. Perhaps if you added a parrot ?

The reason for that is NOT any love for Envoy pilots.....you remember those guys, the pilots that repeatedly flipped them the finger, poked them in the eye and were subsequently brought to their knees ?

Envoy is serving its purpose as pinch-hitters right now, because you have the assets right now. You shouldn't let that go to your head, but I see it's obviously too late. Your management can make any agreements it wants to with you, but the long-term plan is over their pay grades (way over) and they are just trying to stack the deck in their favor for the future. You're just the pawns they are using to woo Parker.

100% of the AA classes? No, no one ever said that. About 70% will be from WOs. Watch the town hall videos on jetnet. That'll answer your questions, guy.

HAHAHAHAHA! That is the dumbest thing I've heard this year. You're not a mainline pilot, you're a regional pilot just like the rest of us. You're also, an idiot. Enjoy your eternity on reserve, dbag.