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#151

HKFlyr , 12-18-2015 10:24 PM

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Booked in Business over 16 hours.

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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

I hope I'm wrong about this a Rock, but unfortunately I really don't think I am. Rather than relying on any screeching, I simply read the actual language in both sections. This statement contains universal language clearly designed to override any subsequent language in this section of the contract.

Regardless of a passenger carrier’s nomenclature or hierarchy for classes of service, a Flat Bed Seat satisfies the higher class of service requirements set forth in this Section.

Since ANY seat other than coach is a result of "higher class of service requirements".....and

Since a flat bed seat now satisfies those requirements....and

Since this statement removes ANY significance we might assign to the "nomenclature or hierarchy" of a particular seat (i.e. First class or Business class).....

Therefore, the language related to the list of priorities for seating on a 16 hour duty day deadhead transferred from the old contract to the new CBA has effectively been nullified unless a flat bed seat is only available in first class.

I know there are deadheads to HKG via DFW (+16 hours of duty) which will fall under this provision in the January 777 bid pack, maybe in December as well. Maybe an APCer will get one and should be able to settle this question pretty quickly.

I was booked in business with bank reflecting only business fare. The lie flat seat booking in business was legal, however the bank needed to be first class value. The block is 17:05. DFW to HKG.

Called Corp travel. They booked me in first and agreed I should have the first. Bottom line is over 16, you rate first. They can book in business but bank must reflect first, and they will book you first if available on your flight. It was, so I got it. More importantly my bank was changed to reflect the first class ticket regardless.

Until you hit 16 hours, it can be a business class bank.

Good luck.

#152

FDXLAG , 12-19-2015 06:40 AM

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HK.

I think we all understand the provisions of ALPA National and age 60. I think we also understand the FDX Mec and company were working hard to make sure the chief pilot at the time could pretend to go to the back seat and then back to the left seat in the blink of an eye. After all he wrote good emails. That was kind of the point, just about every other airline seat progression stagnated, here at FDX we got to go backwards before we stagnated.

I hope the lesson learned is that any future age changes should be instituted gradually to prevent windfalls for some at the expense of others.

#153

MaxKts , 12-19-2015 09:14 AM

Part Time Employee

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

I hope the lesson learned is that any future age changes should be instituted gradually to prevent windfalls for some at the expense of others.

Yeah, just like our current CBA!

#154

DLax85 , 12-19-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

HK. ....I hope the lesson learned is that any future age changes should be instituted gradually to prevent windfalls for some at the expense of others.

How about no more age changes😳

Come on guys, in a seniority based system the top guys really are expected to eventually retire

Please, please no more fly until you die incentives

...or we may just find they become a requirement😁

#155

FXDX , 12-19-2015 06:12 PM

Proponent of Hysteria

Yeah, who could have ever seen that coming?

#156

machz990 , 12-20-2015 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock

It is probably worth pointing out that United is aware its 2-4-2 business seating sucks. So it is getting rid of it. And like most (almost every) other airline, it is phasing out its dedicated international first class. You won't find anything higher than business class on any 787, 777X or the A350. The 747 and older 777s and their great first class pod options are rapidly going the way of the dinosaur on most international carriers. But as a few people have pointed out, the new business class configurations that are replacing the old first class configurations are almost as nice, and depending on the carrier, even nicer. And within a few years, with very rare exceptions, that is all that will be available regardless of what our CBA does or doesn't require.

I know American carriers are all headed to a 2 class cabin if not already there. Regretfully we aren't the standard to strive for in international travel. We rank at the bottom for service and condition of aircraft.

Korean Air, Thai, Cathay, Singapore, Quantas, Emirates and China Southern are some that have first class cabins and lounges on newer aircraft with no plans to get rid of them at least in the near future.

#157

machz990 , 12-21-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

I don't know the specifics of his trip, but it appears machz990 was recently in first class on a three class airplane. It would be interesting to know when and how he got that seat.

Machz990?......

My first class ticket was issued on 20NOV for travel on 20DEC. Several variables here so I don't think my fare or class should be used for reference. This was a mid-trip scheduled D/H from HNL - SFO so short flight with block over 5 hours. 3-class aircraft out of HNL are rare, usually 2-class aircraft. This was UAL and they are bumping some fares to first but usually it's domestic coach tickets to first. The captain I flew with picked up the trip just a couple days before the trip started and he got first class also. Business would have qualified so probably got first due to UAL or maybe Global travel didn't know this was a 3-class aircraft and simply booked first. Ticket was around $650 so not a high fare.

#158

Rock , 12-21-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by machz990

Written like a true grizzled veteran of the deadhead game. Your post underlines all the complexities involved in the deadhead side of our contract and lifestyle. It's an important quality of life issue for me. I never...never... trust Global Travel without cross checking their work. Usually, they do a great job. But it is very rare that I can't figure out a better solution for my personal preferences. So I deviate. A lot. For me, it's worth my time and effort. And until I prove otherwise, I believe the flexibility in the new CBA will actually work very well to my advantage.