Honest question: why no union?
01-07-2018, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Well I would be totally okay with that if you all would contribute in a positive way rather than lowering the bar and getting a free ride on hard fought ALPA benefits to this industry. It’s time to step up to the plate and make positive advances to the regional sector, rather than bringing it down. I mean come on, how can you even justify Skywest's lack of contributions with a straight face? Be the solution rather than the problem.
^^ Well said.
01-07-2018, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Well I would be totally okay with that if you all would contribute in a positive way rather than lowering the bar and getting a free ride on hard fought ALPA benefits to this industry. It’s time to step up to the plate and make positive advances to the regional sector, rather than bringing it down. I mean come on, how can you even justify Skywest's lack of contributions with a straight face? Be the solution rather than the problem.
01-07-2018, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
getting a free ride on hard fought ALPA benefits to this industry.
01-08-2018, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jtsastre
And what benefits are these? If you’re talking KCM there are many airlines apart of this program that PAY to participate that aren’t ALPA. It’s a great program collaborated by ALPA but by no means is SkyWest or any other non-ALPA company gaining a “free ride.”
There are other unions such as APA which do make contributions, but it is the sheer size of ALPA which gives it the sole ability to have a seat at policy making tables.
Don't get me wrong-ALPA sucks!!
But, it is obvious the pilots of Skywest blatantly coat-tail on many ALPA programs and safety initiatives.
01-08-2018, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Flogger
The point is KCM and many other programs would not exist without the political clout and work of ALPA.
There are other unions such as APA which do make contributions, but it is the sheer size of ALPA which gives it the sole ability to have a seat at policy making tables.
Don't get me wrong-ALPA sucks!!
But, it is obvious the pilots of Skywest blatantly coat-tail on many ALPA programs and safety initiatives.
There are other unions such as APA which do make contributions, but it is the sheer size of ALPA which gives it the sole ability to have a seat at policy making tables.
Don't get me wrong-ALPA sucks!!
But, it is obvious the pilots of Skywest blatantly coat-tail on many ALPA programs and safety initiatives.
Most alpa benefits are for members only. But if alpa encourages a government program, you don't get to claim "ownership"... government stuff is inherently equally available to all taxpayers. If you don't want goodies available to all, then do a private venture, don't talk the government into doing it for you. I pay for TSA, not alpa.
01-08-2018, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'm glad you're so butt hurt. Nobody came to SKW to coat-tail on anything. Some came to escape alpa regionals, many were CFI's who were oblivious to unions, all they wanted back then was an airline job, preferably near home.
Most alpa benefits are for members only. But if alpa encourages a government program, you don't get to claim "ownership"... government stuff is inherently equally available to all taxpayers. If you don't want goodies available to all, then do a private venture, don't talk the government into doing it for you. I pay for TSA, not alpa.
Most alpa benefits are for members only. But if alpa encourages a government program, you don't get to claim "ownership"... government stuff is inherently equally available to all taxpayers. If you don't want goodies available to all, then do a private venture, don't talk the government into doing it for you. I pay for TSA, not alpa.
Please think about how different your life would be without many of the ALPA advocated benefits.
You're getting the bennies without paying for it. That's great, but perhaps your life could be even better if you supported the profession?
If there was a way to support the profession without ALPA, I'd be all over it, but there simply ain't an alternative that I can think of.
01-08-2018, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Most alpa benefits are for members only. But if alpa encourages a government program, you don't get to claim "ownership"... government stuff is inherently equally available to all taxpayers.
The point is KCM and many other programs would not exist without the political clout and work of ALPA.
01-09-2018, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DL31082
SkyWest benefits from everything unions do without paying 1.9%. With that being the case why unionize. ALPA worked out KCM with the Feds, but SkyWest benefits. Had they been excluded they might unionize. Skywest management gives them all of the flying with decent pay rates and ok work rules. Why pay a union when your getting it without the dues?
01-09-2018, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
If you put the Kool-Aid down for a moment and read his post, you'll see that he wasn't claiming "ALPA ownership" of anything. He was stating a simple fact, that without ALPA, KCM wouldn't exist.
Seems as if SGU is pouring the extra strength stuff for you guys nowadays.
Seems as if SGU is pouring the extra strength stuff for you guys nowadays.
But I'm not afraid to throw the bs flag when non-OO people come to the OO forum to spew sanctimonious crap about how people should feel guilty or something. Try to sell them on it (without lying too much)? Sure. Try to guilt them about it? Get lost, it's a free country.
01-09-2018, 03:06 PM
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Air Transat
Air Transport International
Air Wisconsin
Alaska Airlines
Atlantic Southeast Airlines
Bearskin Airlines
Calm Air
Canadian North
Commutair
Compass Airlines
Delta Air Lines
Endeavor Air
Envoy Air
ExpressJet
FedEx Express
First Air
Frontier Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
Island Air
Jazz
JetBlue Airways
Kelowna Flightcraft Ltd.
Mesa Air Group
Piedmont Airlines
PSA Airlines
Spirit Airlines
Sun Country Airlines
Trans States Airlines
United Airlines
Virgin America
Wasaya
WestJet
All these labor groups working together.... they must be a bunch of fools! Fools I tell you!
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