Skywest or RAH
10-26-2018 | 08:19 AM
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Popeye, you're at Spirit now? I might have flown with you out of ORD for RAH, now we're both at Spirit, crazy! What's your Spirit hire date?
10-26-2018 | 08:21 AM
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I understand that RAH’s ORD base has been doing a slow shrink for years. If that’s that case, you can forget about ever upgrading there and with DFW and ATL not being RAH bases, it would seem as if you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
10-26-2018 | 08:38 AM
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10-26-2018 | 12:41 PM
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I have a class date with RAH, and in the meantime I’ve been looking more and more st Skywest. I’m 35 yo, and some suggest I’m going to prolong my chances of making it to a major by going to Republic vs somewhere like Skywest on the CRJ. Upgrade times are project at 2-2.5 at RAH vs 1-1.5 at Skywest. I would be commuting and would need either ORD, DFW, or ATL to make it doable for me. Any thoughts are appreciated.
-YX training is more backed up than you estimate. I'm going to indoc oct 30, expecting to return to IND around mid January/early February. If your indoc date is December you can expect training to begin in March or later.
-OO will train you faster and upgrade you faster, so an upgrade ASAP puts you as a reserve captain in junior bases. Expect to be too junior to hold ORD, DFW or ATL as a captain.
-Can either airline get you directly to your base on company metal? If so, your commute will be much easier.
-OO has two fleets and tons of bases, meaning more opportunity to check boxes like instructor, check airman, chief pilot.
-YX contract will be amendable sooner. OO seems to only give improvements to match competitors' contracts. If YX gets a new benefit in 2020, OO might get the same benefit only if staffing problems arise.
FWIW I chose to keep the YX date. My priorities are avoiding junior manning and flying a good contract, hoping for improvements in the near future.
10-26-2018 | 06:34 PM
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If upgrade is essential to making it to a major and you really must have ORD, RAH will never get you there unless the upgrade time to hold ORD as captain changes significantly. When I left in May ORD was an 8-year base to hold captain and was shrinking on the captain side. Many majors are hiring regional FOs these days if you have the right qualifications, so you may be able to get away with it if you have the degree (with good grades), volunteer time, good recommendations, etc.
I loved my time at RAH. The QOL was outstanding. After about 1.5 years I always held 17 days off, all weekends off, fully commutable lines with 80 hours credit in ORD. The most legs I ever saw in a day were 4. At the time no Skywest guy could tell you that. Their senior guys were still slogging along getting 14 maybe 15 days off and working their butts raw with 5 to 6 leg days. That being said their contract has gotten better so someone from Skywest will have to chime in on whether this is still the case.
I loved my time at RAH. The QOL was outstanding. After about 1.5 years I always held 17 days off, all weekends off, fully commutable lines with 80 hours credit in ORD. The most legs I ever saw in a day were 4. At the time no Skywest guy could tell you that. Their senior guys were still slogging along getting 14 maybe 15 days off and working their butts raw with 5 to 6 leg days. That being said their contract has gotten better so someone from Skywest will have to chime in on whether this is still the case.
10-26-2018 | 06:35 PM
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Don't put too much weight on this, especially if you live in a small outstation. I lived in a small outstation commuting to ORD for only five months. My commute went from non-company metal to company metal back to non-company metal in that short time. The mainline codeshares shift flying around alllllllll the time.
10-26-2018 | 08:01 PM
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I can actually say all of that plus some from SkyWest. At 1.5 years I was holding 17 days off including weekend crediting over 100 hours and averaged 2 legs per day. And even held out for the senior plane upgrade at 3 years which was equivalent to a friend who started at RAH same month/year as me. If I had taken the CRJ, it would've been 1.5 years sooner with much better QOL as a CA. Just varies insanely depending on base/seat/aircraft. If you want a junior base as the OP does, then you have a ton of options for quick QOL gains. The little work rules (please let's get into displacement on RAH compared to SW) make HUGE differences. I suggest looking at all of the little details to anyone comparing. And I held 5 different positions in my time at the company. So many opportunities to get involved and grow your resume. I would've been hesitant to say SkyWest is an easy choice prior to the new TA, but now I think it really is an easy choice.
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10-27-2018 | 01:33 AM
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I can actually say all of that plus some from SkyWest. At 1.5 years I was holding 17 days off including weekend crediting over 100 hours and averaged 2 legs per day. And even held out for the senior plane upgrade at 3 years which was equivalent to a friend who started at RAH same month/year as me. If I had taken the CRJ, it would've been 1.5 years sooner with much better QOL as a CA. Just varies insanely depending on base/seat/aircraft. If you want a junior base as the OP does, then you have a ton of options for quick QOL gains. The little work rules (please let's get into displacement on RAH compared to SW) make HUGE differences. I suggest looking at all of the little details to anyone comparing. And I held 5 different positions in my time at the company. So many opportunities to get involved and grow your resume. I would've been hesitant to say SkyWest is an easy choice prior to the new TA, but now I think it really is an easy choice.
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