Skywest or Envoy?
01-06-2019 | 11:32 AM
#31
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Take the SKW rates and subtract 5 to 7% due to the credit or better pay instead of the industry norm of block or better. Historical credit is controlled solely by the company. Our work rules are substandard and basically a pattern bargin element 2 to 5 years after the rest of the industry.
Your going to get LGA, DTW, MSP, or ORD out of training, the good domiciles take a while. If somebody says the got SLC or SFOout of training , they are super lucky.
Choose wisely, even now you will be in the regional hell for 2 to 5 years.
01-06-2019 | 12:43 PM
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01-08-2019 | 07:07 AM
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Our rigs are better than everyone else but I will acknowledge that our OT incentive system, reserve rules and proffering is absolutely f*cking stupid when in fact we are well taken care of. It's all relative and we all want what we don't seem to have.
My point to everyone is this: As much as pilots (including myself) love to complain, it's easy for us to make the case that we work at the worst hell hole on earth.
Be wary of the bold statements.
01-08-2019 | 02:45 PM
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Go into open time and find as many trips as you can without a DH or stand up, there's your -5 to 7%, but that's also the percentage one of the SAPA number guru's came up with.
Find out how many ALPA carriers have fired pilots for flying mistakes. If it's as many as SKW, I'll let it go. Don't tell me that we have anything more than what was bargained for at other airlines. We are always behind the curve and with the industry lagging pay scales approved you can expect it to be that way for years.
The truth.....
Find out how many ALPA carriers have fired pilots for flying mistakes. If it's as many as SKW, I'll let it go. Don't tell me that we have anything more than what was bargained for at other airlines. We are always behind the curve and with the industry lagging pay scales approved you can expect it to be that way for years.
The truth.....
01-08-2019 | 03:14 PM
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Go into open time and find as many trips as you can without a DH or stand up, there's your -5 to 7%, but that's also the percentage one of the SAPA number guru's came up with.
Find out how many ALPA carriers have fired pilots for flying mistakes. If it's as many as SKW, I'll let it go. Don't tell me that we have anything more than what was bargained for at other airlines. We are always behind the curve and with the industry lagging pay scales approved you can expect it to be that way for years.
The truth.....
Find out how many ALPA carriers have fired pilots for flying mistakes. If it's as many as SKW, I'll let it go. Don't tell me that we have anything more than what was bargained for at other airlines. We are always behind the curve and with the industry lagging pay scales approved you can expect it to be that way for years.
The truth.....
01-08-2019 | 03:21 PM
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How do you figure? Secured the UA flying plus posible additional aircraft,?? That sounds like continued quick upgrade and movement so uou can get in, Get your time and get out.. Thats just the UA flying. 1/4th what OO does..
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