ALPA Drive 2.0
05-19-2019, 06:47 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by captive apple
How is ALPA national operating in the best interest of all of their members when they tell United Express carriers to accept a non-reciprocal Jumpseat agreement?
ALPA National doesn’t negotiate Jumpseat agreements. That’s the misconception about ALPA “national.” ALPA national mainly deals with issues at the agency, congressional, and international level. ALPA national provides the tool box and some extra funding for MECs to use but it doesn’t and cant compel ANY MEC to negotiate ANYTHING. That is solely and expressly up to each individual MEC to decide for themselves. Each MEC is responsible to act in the interests of their pilots when it comes to local issues.
My guess is that if Skywest pilots choose ALPA, it would go a long way in helping the express carriers come to a mutual agreement with the UAL MEC.
05-19-2019, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
ALPA National doesn’t negotiate Jumpseat agreements. That’s the misconception about ALPA “national.” ALPA national mainly deals with issues at the agency, congressional, and international level. ALPA national provides the tool box and some extra funding for MECs to use but it doesn’t and cant compel ANY MEC to negotiate ANYTHING. That is solely and expressly up to each individual MEC to decide for themselves. Each MEC is responsible to act in the interests of their pilots when it comes to local issues.
My guess is that if Skywest pilots choose ALPA, it would go a long way in helping the express carriers come to a mutual agreement with the UAL MEC.
My guess is that if Skywest pilots choose ALPA, it would go a long way in helping the express carriers come to a mutual agreement with the UAL MEC.
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05-19-2019, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Republic is having the same issue... this SHOULD be a alpa National issue. Some Rouge MEC chair should be able to unilaterally change Jumpseat agreements. (That is no indication of what’s exactly happening, at UA, just a example of what could happen )
05-19-2019, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by captive apple
How is ALPA national operating in the best interest of all of their members when they tell United Express carriers to accept a non-reciprocal Jumpseat agreement?
05-19-2019, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Yes...??.... my understanding is that each Regionals CPA has Jumpseat verbiage in it.. that would put the issue even above the union.. all the way to CEO’s...
I’ve only seen positive space and space available language in CPAs. Never seen anything about Jumpseat’s. Although that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And I know UAL has Jumpseat language in their contract, which does trump any CPA. n other words, if management can not comply with Jumpseat language in the contract, an arbitrator is just going to see the CPA language as management’s problem, not the pilots. But I don’t think that language has anything to do with reciprocal agreements anyway.
Jumpseat agreements are local in nature. A national Officer can try to mediate or push/pull in one direction or the other but ultimately it’s up to the MECs because I don’t see how they can compel MECs to do something they may not want to do.
05-20-2019, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by captive apple
How is ALPA national operating in the best interest of all of their members when they tell United Express carriers to accept a non-reciprocal Jumpseat agreement?
If SkyWest were an ALPA carrier, it would be large enough to have its own VP and would be able to voice these concerns at the table with some of the VP's of other large carriers, which happen to be mainline. Food for thought.
If you think we have a voice in any of this to begin with I regret to inform you that we don't. I don't expect any ALPA UAX carrier to advocate for us anyways.
05-20-2019, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Yes...??.... my understanding is that each Regionals CPA has Jumpseat verbiage in it.. that would put the issue even above the union.. all the way to CEO’s...
05-22-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by savedbythevnav
I figured this would come up after the last SAPA conference call. If EL thinks that National is telling UAX carriers to accept a new agreement he is mistaken. There are several ranking officers that are part of UALPA and have voiced their views on the proposed UAX changes, including the possibility of putting all non-union pilots at the bottom of the list. That is nothing more than their individual views, however.
If SkyWest were an ALPA carrier, it would be large enough to have its own VP and would be able to voice these concerns at the table with some of the VP's of other large carriers, which happen to be mainline. Food for thought.
If you think we have a voice in any of this to begin with I regret to inform you that we don't. I don't expect any ALPA UAX carrier to advocate for us anyways.
If SkyWest were an ALPA carrier, it would be large enough to have its own VP and would be able to voice these concerns at the table with some of the VP's of other large carriers, which happen to be mainline. Food for thought.
If you think we have a voice in any of this to begin with I regret to inform you that we don't. I don't expect any ALPA UAX carrier to advocate for us anyways.
05-22-2019, 06:50 PM
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On a slight different topic, I have been wondering for some time now why SAPA reps are always the first to jump on board to shoot down basically every single positive that is brought up regarding ALPA...does anyone know what the deal is?
Are reps being credited a certain amount per month (and possibly want to protect their positions)? I just note on any SAPA forum/FB threads they are all very fast to tell people why we should be lucky to have SAPA and they get the job done the moment ALPA comes up. I mean, maybe they just truly believe in the work SAPA does and good on them if so, I'm just wondering
Are reps being credited a certain amount per month (and possibly want to protect their positions)? I just note on any SAPA forum/FB threads they are all very fast to tell people why we should be lucky to have SAPA and they get the job done the moment ALPA comes up. I mean, maybe they just truly believe in the work SAPA does and good on them if so, I'm just wondering
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