Cazadores

Maybe you should ask an Endeavor pilot if it's nice not being harassed about "Latency" or whether or not he likes their positive space commuter policy, higher travel priority, more money. Be sure to ask what schedule flexibility is like, too.

Maybe you should check with a Republic pilot and find out what it's like to have benefits on all their partners regardless of domicile, or to not be subject to abuse through ready reserve policy on the fly nonsense-of course you'll have to explain what ready is to them first, since they dont have it.

Almost forgot, check with the recent SkyWest pilots who were terminated based on some phantom nebulous attendance reliability policy. I think you can rest assured they wish they had a set policy to follow agreed to by their representatives, and someone other than a management sycophant next to them when they got called in.


Companies change, management changes, sometimes you have to respond to it.

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OOfff

whats the *full* story here?

Cazadores

No doubt apparently they were unreliable and abused the sick calls. Maybe they should've been fired.

To be honest I haven't seen a lot of firings not deserved.

The point still stands, you want someone whose sole duty is to represent you, who has the backing of a group with the experience to ensure a clear policy is set prior, or a group of management representatives randomly deciding when to go easy on someone or agreeing to make an example. SAPA, make no mistake, is management. If they were just pilots representing pilots, they would not be paid more, and not be required to cease work on organizing efforts and to work against them. A simple pilot representative, if they felt a union was in the best interests of the pilots, should be able to continue the effort.

SAPA is management.

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TenaciousB

Can you expand on this statement for those of us out of the loop? Is that really required to be a part of SAPA?

Cazadores

Many of the SAPA reps were, prior to being elected to SAPA, members of the ALPA OV. All of them were required to leave the OC and sign an agreement they would not support any organizing efforts. Recently an elected pilot representative walked from the position due to the requirement he sign a number of legally binding documents he felt he could not agree to and still represent the pilots to the best of his ability and without conflict.

Is SAPA all bad? No, of course not, but it is management, the faster people understand this the better.


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amcnd

If that works for you and you want to commute from SEA or LAX to NYC or a Republic outstation base, then go for it. You won’t t have to complain about latency or not getting comfort + on a DH. But what value do you put on that. Is it worth the 2 time zone commute and longer reserve... to each there own.. no one Airline is perfect. Each has there “stuff” to deal with. Pick your poison... not worth the cross the count commute to just worry about that stuff.. same goes for if you live on the east coast. You would be crazy to come to SkyWest...

ConnectionPilot

Meh every regional that has had or does have ALPA is a “pit of misery.”. Give me a good example of an ALPA regional. When it comes down to it, who pays ALPA National’s bill? Delta and United or the regionals? That’s who will come out on top, every.single.time.

Meow1215

What exactly do you think ALPA National does?

TheFly

I’ll take what is “Looks out for mainline at the expense of the contract airlines” for 200, Alex.

DAILY DOUBLE!

Meow1215

Hope you didn’t bet much, your answer is entirely wrong. The individual MECs look out for their respective airline. You think United pilots have the same goals as Delta pilots?

National handles things like 117, KCM, ASAP, to name a few. They do not control Delta, United or Jet Blues, contract and or that company’s legislative interests. Yes, nationals provides tools - they DO NOT do oversight. Every 121 pilot and flight attendant in United States benefits from ALPA National advocacy, even if they have their heads in the sand like yourself.